It's a new year thing. Douglass.

Oh, my God.

I've traveled with this guy. I've trained with him. I've broken bread with them.

And I choked him out.

The final battle between Raven and Tommy Dreamer. You did your job and ran the fuckers off. Look at that. From the twisted steel section of Dudleyville.

It's over.

It's over. He did it.

Extreme Championship Wrestling has been thrown into disarray.

This, my friends, is E C W. Welcome to the Extreme ECW Live cast. And we are back. And this week we're doing something special, a little different. Change of course. We are not watching ECW Hardcore TV this time. We are watching Monday Night Raw. We're watching the Monday Night Raw where ECW invades. I don't think invades is the good word for it, but they are on Monday Night Raw, ECW. And this is from February 24th of 1997. So this is right after where we just left off on our previous episode of the Extremely CW Live Cast, which was covering February 11th and the 18th. So they've had this working relationship going on with WWF and they're going to be showcased on Monday Night Raw. So we're going to check out that whole episode and we're going to get some ECW matches. We're going to watch some WWF matches. So I think it's fun, something a little different. So I'm looking forward to it. And to join me with that is, as always, JV and Rick Bibi. What's up, guys?

What's going on?

Brad, how you doing?

What's going on, man?

Something a little different here. When I signed off the last time with the last episode, I said we were gonna watch this plus ECW hardcore TV from like the 25th the next day. Yeah, yeah, Too much.

We're just gonna watch and then. And then another hour of ecw.

So, yeah, this will just be a Monday Night Raw. And then the next time we'll. We'll pick up with ECW hardcore TV for the next two weeks after that. All right, so before we even get into this, of course, let's plug ourselves here. Check us out on X at Extreme Cast. Follow me, Mike Prue at NPRU 83. Call JV at John Van Damage and check out Rick BB at Leo Wyatt 85. Also check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast the career of Stone Cold Steve Austin, where we do have a new episode available. And we're picking up with our Stunning Steve series. We had just previously wrapped up the Hollywood Blondes. Series, which is kind of like an interlude, I guess, within our stunning Steve. So he had that period of the Hollywood blondes. We covered six episodes of all that, which take took up basically a year of time, which was 92 through 93, and now we're picking up at the end of 93. And now he's single again as stunning Steve and managed by colonel Robert Parker. And he's about to go on a u. S. Title run. So we just covered that first episode of the second half of stunning Steve Austin, which was episode 17, and it was the return to the battle bowl. So that's available now. And you can follow us on x at bottomline. Cast. Also check out Rick Beebe's podcast, the hybrid wrestling cast. And Rick, what's the handle on that for. For Twitter at hybrid underscore cast.

Exactly. At hybrid underscore castle.

All right, so check that out. And Rick Bibi's working on a new episode and be out soon enough. All right, so with that said, guys, you ready to get right into this Monday night Raw?

Yes, sir.

Sounds weird. We're watching Monday night raw, but, yes, this is Monday Night Raw, episode 198, February 24, 1997. It's live. It's in New York, New York at the Manhattan center. And we're gonna watch the first hour, and then we'll take a break, and then we'll pick up with the second hour. So we are watching a copy of this. So we're not watching it from the peacock version. So it's probably pretty similar time wise. So if you wanted to follow along with us and watch it, you probably could do it for the most part. But for our sake, I gotta give us a countdown so we can all be in sync. And we're gonna start off the countdown on. I'll count down three, down to one, then say play like always. I just want to make sure I'm all set to go, though.

What do you. What do you guys see on your screen? Is it the. I have the world wrestling red.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I got. The twirling.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool.

I just want to make sure it starts off a little late. Okay. All right.

My other monitor. There we go.

All right. You guys all good?

Oh, yeah, I'm good.

All right, so here's countdown. Three, two, one, play.

This is taking me back.

You're breaking up.

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh, how about this opening? Yeah. I just love this video game. Yeah, the video game. Same opening. Yep.

Same music and everything.

Very authentic. Game rips were everywhere. What Was that those saxophone rips in the 90s were everywhere.

Yep.

We got on the. When they panned over from the the left, there was three people up in the balcony holding ECW letters over the balcony.

Nice.

They were. They were ready.

Yep. I wonder how far in advance they knew of this. Did they mention it the previous raw? I wonder.

Yeah, I don't know.

There probably was some sort of build up to it.

Oh yeah, I'm sure there was because.

Jerry Law was complaining about it and he was the guy who has always been bitching about it.

Yeah. And there's a guy behind him that's got a the ECW T shirt on.

Yep.

Just for context, I looked it up and I know we had said this off, offline pro, but the week before this was Final Four, you know, excellent match and all that. The night before this was Super Brawl 7.

Oh.

With. With a main event of Hollywood Hogan versus Roddy Piper live from San Francisco, California.

I watched that not too long ago. Yeah, that wasn't good.

Good. Yeah. No.

The Godwins.

All right, so we're starting off with a WWF match. It's the Godwins versus the new Blackjacks. Justin. No. Was he. No, just Bradshaw at this point. Yeah.

Future World Heavyweight Champion.

Yes. Jbl. And then poor Barry Windham.

Yeah, poor Barry Windham. Poor poor Henry Godwin too, because at some point in the next couple of years, he his neck up and ends. I think he ends up retiring because of it. So.

Yep. That allows for Phineas to become Midian.

Yep.

Have his own little run. Part of the. The Undertakers group there. The hell is that called? The Ministry. No, not the Ministry.

The Ministry of Darkness.

Yeah, Ministry of Darkness.

Defense.

But that was Ministry of Defense.

That's where I believe it's the like Department of Defense. But in.

Yeah, but in England, right?

Yeah.

Ministry of Defense. That was horrible. Head scissors right there.

Yeah, that was terrible.

All right, so we're gonna have a main event of Farouk versus the Undertaker. Hey, we got JC Ice and Wolfie D there in the background.

Honey and Marlena arm wrestling.

Oh, I'm wrestling, man.

Here we go.

And there's gonna be a special guest referee during that match. Honky Tonk man.

Because when I think of two hot women arm wrestling, I think Honky Tonk man.

Yeah, that's strange. Strange match up there in pairing.

Yeah, three.

I don't know about you guys, but I used to hate this USA logo.

Yeah, like the.

The one that has the star.

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, even that too. Where you can barely see it. Right. It's embossed.

Yeah, but. No, I know what you mean. Yeah, that. That is a kind of crappy logo.

Oh, that's right. Was he Blackjack? Wyndham's out. He's a manager, isn't he?

No. Black Blackjack. Windham's. Barry Windham, where is. He's in the opposite corner. Hold. Holding the tag rope, hopefully.

Is he on the rope? Yeah.

No, he's not.

No, he's not there.

Is he on the floor?

I think he got knocked out.

That's his partner here.

Yeah, that's. There's. There's Bradshaw. Jbl.

Wasn't he with Bart Gunn for a little while? Oh, no, that was. I'm thinking I got my tag teams all up.

You're thinking of smoking guns and.

Smoking guns. Yeah. It's awesome.

Okay.

Which is Billy Gun and Bark Gun.

Yeah.

Yeah. This was a short lived experiment here, the new Blackjacks.

Yeah.

But I like the pairing of these guys together.

Yeah.

And it definitely helped jbl, I think by just getting him out of the Justin Hawk Bradshaw character because I feel like, oh, God. Him being this character can lead to him being the APA Bradshaw.

Right. I feel like. Yeah. Teaming the G, you know, Bradshaw and Windham up. If they hadn't made it. Oh, where they're the new Blackjacks. I think that would have worked a lot better though.

Anything new sucks.

Yeah.

New rockers Marty Jannetti and Leaf Cassidy.

Yep.

I mean, I don't know how many. Yeah.

The new Midnight, but it always seems to suck.

Yeah. New Midnight Express.

New Ken Shamrock.

New. The new Ken Shamrock. And in the front row. This is his first appearance, right? I believe.

I believe so.

Yeah. And Jerry Law's all on his nuts.

Yeah.

He's acting like he knows him.

He's the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He never won ufc.

Was never a champion.

He never won. He never won any of the tournaments. He was involved in the what they would call the super fight, where they'd have a tournament and then they'd have a single one on one, kind of like what you have now. Yeah, yeah. And they had a belt that was the Super Fight Championship. And so he was the. He was a super fight champion, but he never actually won like, you know, one of the tournaments. In fact, he was involved in a match, a fight, whatever you want to call it, with Dan Severin that was. It's considered one of the worst UFC bouts ever because it literally is them circling each other and not throwing any punches for like 40 minutes. It's horrible. Yeah.

That's despicable.

Yeah, well, it was caused because they. Whatever city or state they were in on, like, the day or two before the show, they came up with a. Like a. A ruling that, like, they couldn't. They couldn't have it. If anybody got punched in the face, they were gonna arrest people and all this. So basically they. They didn't. They were avoiding contact because they didn't. They didn't want anybody to get arrested, you know, which is stupid.

All right, so the match wraps up here.

What a show.

Yeah. This looks like a mess.

Way too much a show to have for these two tag teams.

Who the Is that referee? Not Mike Kyoto, but the other one.

Yeah, I forget his name, but he goes on to be around for a while, I think.

Yeah, well, no, that's what I'm saying. He looks familiar, but I can't remember his name.

Manure happens. All right, they're gonna slop this ref. Was that Kyoto?

That was Kyoto, yeah. And he takes a prat fall.

It takes a bump. Yeah. Look at another one. Like, Chevy Chase out there.

Yeah.

What is.

Got a lot of BWO shirts in the crowd.

They were supposed to be the. The faces.

So how big it was of the surprise was this at the time for adults that watch wrestling? What do you mean, the invasion?

Oh, I mean, like, Pru was saying, like, obviously there were some people that knew because the. You know, there's ECW fans and the crowd and everything. I don't know if they said anything the. The Raw before, like you said.

I think Jerry Law mentioned something like they're getting invited to be there.

So, like, Paulie, extremely crappy wrestling, but here we go.

Here's the eliminators. Some random dude in the ring. He's gonna get some total elimination. He's already holding his head.

He's. Yeah, he's blocking because he doesn't trust Kronos.

His Paulie. So let's lay out and see what he has to say. He's in his glory right now.

Oh, he's loving this.

This is all in promotion for Barely Legal, basically the first pay per view. I love Jerry Law's character where he's just like these people. I wonder if he really felt that way, though. Probably did to some extent.

As I said, I think I've heard at the time that he did because he was like, you know, these guys are has beens, never weres, whatever. But then when he got to know them, he kind of realized that, like, these guys are actually, like, they're fairly talented.

Who's this Lawler?

Yeah, yeah.

Some of these H guys. Wouldn't he have crossed paths with them?

I mean the Eliminator. The Eliminators. He, he. They were in Memphis. So he knew them. He knew Paulie because Paulie was in Memphis at one point and feuded with him actually. But like Guido. I don't know or. Yeah, Guido. That's what he is now. He. I don't know that he knew him per se. Like it's. It's kind of one of those. He probably knew a handful of people in Memphis. Yeah, yeah. Sandman was in Memphis at one point. They're taking over.

Oh my God.

This is the blue meaning. And speaking of blue mini. It's his birthday.

As we record this, how good do they feel? Finally be on like a big show.

Oh my God, these guys gonna love it.

They're. Yeah, they're. They're marking out.

It's funny though. It's. It's a big show. They're on national tv. They're on Raw, but they're in a small, small place in the Manhattan Center. Yeah, like if you want we're gonna put it in a small place.

That's a funny. That's a good point.

But it's well lit you by Extreme Championship Wrestling. The guy just reaches in. Yeah. Holly.

Stevie for us to get mic time.

Oh yeah, good point. Yeah.

Take it over. Love it.

Of all the guys, I'd probably trust him the most.

Y. Say hello to the fat guy.

Yeah. And it's Finnegan refing it. That's great.

Know what also was cool. I don't know if you guys noticed I picked up on this was the Chiron was ECW Chiron that they use on the regular hardcore TV and they use the hair on raw. I don't know if you guys heard that, but my dog's in here scratching away.

No, I didn't.

You didn't hear it.

Apparently this has nothing at all to do with the clothing.

She's being a little baby lately, cuz she just had surgery a couple weeks ago and has a donut around their neck instead of a cone. We got a donut.

Oh, hey, point it out. Sorry to interrupt you pro. The new ECW heavyweight belt, Raven has it on.

Oh, didn't notice.

If they like.

If you're gonna be on tv, you're gonna wear good belts. Oh, nice. I like it.

Yeah, it's. It's probably. I think the, this era of the belts is probably my favorite. I think they all look classy. But without going too crazy with the WE Extreme barbed wire and flames and stuff like that.

I hate that. Belts that look like very gimmicky.

Yeah.

Keep them simple. I ain't got to cut away the gold dust, Vince. Who gives a about gold dust and Savio Vega? Right now we got an ECW match you're trying to spotlight.

Imagine Saviour. Yeah, he would have worked.

Yeah, it would.

Yeah.

So strange is that they have Vince McMahon calling little Guido versus Stevie Richards.

Yeah, during.

When they're in ECW, not when they're Nunzio and Stevie Richards in WWE or WWF at the time. It's funny to hear Vince, but. Oh, my God. Oh, no. He's throwing him into the corner.

Oh, what a mover maneuver. One, two. And he got him. No, he didn't.

I love Rob Feinstein out there as seven or whatever the hell his name was.

Yeah, 7 11.

7 11. Funny, I say seven because Dustin Reynolds was seven, right? Wasn't that his name?

Yes, he was.

Weird. Phantom of the Opera dude.

First time he shows up, he comes up to the crowd and goes, this gimmick sucks. You see what kind of they put me in?

Everywhere he goes against shitty gimmicks.

Yeah.

He could not make that one work.

No.

Powder. Remember that movie?

Yeah, I think. I think that's what he exactly says. He goes, I look like Powder.

Oh. Tuning off the van comes the Stevie kick.

And like, half the crowd doesn't know what to do because they're like, what is this guy trying to be Shawn Michaels for?

It's the bwo. But Shawn Michaels isn't in the nwo. It doesn't make sense.

Right.

He should have done a Power Bomb clothing line. Nwo.

Yeah.

Nice little dig there from Vince calling the NWO just a clothing line.

He's loving throwing shade.

Yeah.

That's why he did this whole thing.

Oh, definitely.

Give a.

That's what.

How can I make WCW look like shit?

All right, let me bring BWO in.

I can talk about them indirectly.

That's a good point, genius.

Give them plenty.

Hey, arm wrestling event. That's what we want. Can it be a topless arm wrestling event? That would be better. Back when Sunny was smoking Prime. Sunny. All right, here comes the honky Tonga, man.

I do my honka, do my tonka, do my honk. I do my honka.

I like that Jimmy Honka do my tonka.

Better than hunka Honka Honky love.

Yeah, that's.

Yeah, that's Honka honka honk. You are. I think he stinks Remember that kid at WrestleMania 6?

Yeah.

With. With his dad stinks.

What a.

Special guest referee.

He does.

Somebody yells out, you suck.

Likes Honky Tonk Man.

The Honky Tonk Man.

Elvis F. Yeah, that's the only one.

Oh, you mean you don't like Elvis? Elvis.

Honky Tonk Man. People just relentless.

Get your ass out of the ring.

Rockabilly.

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's later on in 97, I believe.

Oh, yeah, he brings in rockabilly, right? Oh, but he is a rockabilly.

Yeah. Isn't that, like, a thing?

Yeah, yeah. Like that style of dress.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would have hated rockabillies if I was in that day. Back in the day, you know.

You know who's considered rockabilly is the Stray Cats.

Yeah, they're rockabilly.

Yeah, yeah. But like, that same, you know, clothing style and whatever, too, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is that one of their songs, walk around, or is that somebody else?

No, the Zoot Suit Riot.

Yeah.

Is that. You're thinking of cherry Popping Daddies. Oh, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. One of the.

I think it's cherry popping down.

Yeah, one of those. One of the. The swing revival groups that were in. Yeah, Vogue in 98. Whatever. It was the late 90s.

The strip cats was Brian Setzer.

Yeah, Brian right there. And they were like, oh, yeah, Rock this town.

Yeah, Rock this. Oh, damn, those.

Those things are perfect.

Look at those buns bumping and grabbing.

The crowd just like. Huh. Did you see that? Yeah, she's got her arms crossed. She's like a cat. It looks like a Karen.

What am I doing here? How do you like all these horny asses?

How do you turn into a.

Like a mess?

Loser.

Yeah. Alcohol.

Bad decisions. Yeah. Oh, China's debut. Choking out Marlena Love Molly. Yes. She's the LBT queen. Yeah, she's the lbtq.

Who, Marlena.

Yeah, lbtq. And I don't mean that Modern day one. She's a little big to Queen.

She's all taped up. Her ribs are a mess. So being the sweet, considerate, caring person that I am.

You're not caring. You're a.

Well, Sonny wants to have a forfeit. I love that. That whole gimmick. I don't want to be. You know, I'll let you forfeit. What kind of arm wrestling table is that? The Break your wrist if you try to.

Yeah, that's. You got to lean way over there. I mean, they're not that tall, but you got. Yeah, the. Is that that's like an armrest end table. Like, that's like arm wrestling if you're a little person wrestler.

Yeah. We're gonna have an arm wrestling match between Little Tokyo and Haiti kid.

Yeah. Many many Mankind and Mini Vader.

Yeah. Well, current. Ready, set, go. That's what I'm gonna say for the countdown from now on. Ready, set, go. I'm gonna say ready, set, go. And when I say go, we go.

I love that little strut she does.

Who?

Sonny, son.

Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can stretch, honey.

Get back on the table.

Holy.

Got a nice firm grip.

What the hell's going on here? Somebody. Did he pop out for a second?

I wish.

Jerry.

No. Lawler. I'm getting warmed up.

Well, Moline is like, see through black tights ass. They should have Buell and Francine come out and like, rip their clothes off or something. That have been great.

That would have been so much better.

That have been the start of the Attitude era.

Look at Kim Shamrock. What the hell's going on here?

Wait, this is considered Attitude era.

Pre Attitude.

Like, still be considered that, right?

Like, this is still the new generation.

Yeah.

We go.

It's about the. Yeah. Later in 97, I guess.

Summer SummerSlam roughly.

Maybe a little after post summer lam. Yeah.

Yeah.

Sonny.

Damn, man. Molina. Sonny has an advantage because of those boots.

Yeah.

More height. Oh. What the. She got the power.

It was in her. It's her coke.

Her coke is everywhere.

Where'd you get the powder, Sean? Thanks for the bump, Chris.

Oh, there's Savio. The up with this color code thing keeps popping up.

I don't know.

What's that called?

Oh, is that a. Is that the test pattern?

Test pattern? Yeah, that's what it is.

Yeah.

Why does that keep popping up?

It's the second time somebody's pushing the wrong buttons in the control room. Somebody needs to get fired.

Kevin Dunn should have got fired.

Yeah, you're fired.

You're fired.

All right. So is the match beginning? So this was lackluster. All right, so the match is in Progress now. Savio vs Goldust.

JC Ice and Wolfie D.

Live and in color.

Don't disrespect the man of the bum rush.

Your mother. This is for real. Not playing. Jc. Yikes. And Wolfie D. I forget the next part. Yeah, I love that, though. This is for real. Not playing. I think it was that the. The final four, when they came down to the ring, they had a great rap. Yeah, it was based on that. But they expounded on it. It was awesome. It was just nailing it that night. Pretty sure it was at the Final Four pay per view.

Yeah. It was either that or the Royal Rumble.

Oh, yeah, maybe it was Rumble.

Yeah.

Shitty Crush out there.

Yep.

Skinny Crush.

Jailbird Crush.

Jailbird Crush. That's the funny thing about Crush. You can just come up with a bunch of different nicknames because he's always Crush.

Yeah.

Feathered. Here, Crush. Do that one. Or Heathered Hair. Was it feathered? Yeah, Feather.

Feathered. Yeah. Yeah. The Feathered Feather. Feathered Mullet Crush.

Yeah. Sunny D Crush. His outfit was like Sunny Day.

It was the. Then there was the. The evil Fuji managed Crush when he faced Savage at WrestleMania 10.

Purple Crush.

Purple Crush. Yeah.

Am I talking about soda? What's going on here?

That's why I say Grape Crush.

Grape Crush. Orange Crush.

Yeah. Literally. Yeah. He had. Yeah. Orange and orange and Purple. Yeah. Oh, just pile drive him on the floor.

Yeah.

In Memphis, that would be a trip to the hospital in six weeks off.

Fabio talking trashed in Spanish to the Spanish announce team. Good touch.

Yeah. Getting over to his audience overseas or in the States. Whoever's listening to that broadcast.

Hey, Springfield Civic center and Springfield, Mass.

March 9.

March 9.

What was the name of that tour?

It just said WWF Live.

Oh, they're not house shows, they're live events.

Yeah. Call Ticketmaster.

Oh, Worcester, Massachusetts, next.

Oh, yeah.

The next two weeks.

You know, Gold Nuts is in a world of trouble here. I thought he was a little bit smarter than to come out here.

Watchester.

Worcester.

Was that different?

Worcester.

It's fun. It's funny because they were in Lowell for Raw.

Yeah.

Like a month before this. That was the. The Lost his smile. Thursday. Raw. Thursday.

How many was. How many weeks did you say it was like?

It was like a month before this.

Yeah, not. Yeah, not too long ago. I think they even bring that up again on this episode. The Shawn Michael.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Because it was before Final Four, but not like the week before.

Right.

I don't. At least I don't think it was.

I think a couple weeks.

Yeah. And then.

Because they had to.

Yeah. And then in two weeks, they're gonna be in Worcester instead of Lowell.

Basically, what they're doing is trying to save some money, travel by keeping shows in the Northeast for an extended period of time leading up to Mania, probably.

Yeah.

Mania was where this year. This was. It was in Chicago. Right. Heading to 13. Yeah. Chicago.

It's a good shot of the. The Manhattan center from the balcony.

Yeah.

See how small and, you know, small but like they pack it in.

I like the look of the place. It's cool. I mean, it's nostalgic too, as a. Yeah. Wrestling fantasy Raw. Especially at this time too. In 97, it's like, oh, this reminds me of 1993. Like the early Raws.

Yep.

Oh, absolutely. We're gonna see it. Yeah.

The ECW a couple years.

We're gonna see it in ECW too.

It doesn't ECW do their own pay per views at the Manhattan Center. Any of them? Maybe not.

They do. They do shows there. They do tv. They definitely do TV tapings there. And I. I feel like they may have done other. If they didn't do a pay per view. They do like, you know, the super show from the Manhattan Center.

Okay.

I believe.

Oh, Goldust gets his knees up and Savio belly flops onto it.

Sovio. I called him Savio. Silvio.

Silvio. Silvio from Sopranos Vega. Sonny's out there for Savio in the Nation.

I just think she's. She's out there for. What are you for eye candy.

Yeah.

All right. So I just. I just looked it up. The. The pay per view. Last pay per views that ECW ever, which is in the Man Building as a Manhattan center.

You cut off for me.

Yeah, me too. For me.

Yeah, you repeat that.

All right. No, so, yeah, I looked it up and one of the last pay per views that EC is held at the. The Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan Center.

Oh, okay.

So they do. They do one, but it's not in the Manhattan center that you're seeing here. It's in a different part of the same building.

Gotcha. My froze up, so my. My time's off. What do you guys have?

I'm still good. I have 33, 55, 56.

I'm like a second ahead of you, but close enough.

I'm at three. What are you at now?

3404. 3405.

Yep.

Okay. I'm probably like a couple seconds behind you, but good enough.

Yeah.

Gold. Let's just punch Crush is what I just saw.

Yeah, that was a couple seconds ago for us.

In the crutch with assault and battery, or at least assault.

Gold dust.

I love those, like uppercut slap type things that he does.

Yeah, those are great.

Yeah.

Crush is now in the ring. They're beating on gold dust.

Yep.

EQ's called. I'm at 34.55 now.

Calls it gang.

Yeah, you're like. You're like a second or two behind me. Through.

Okay. I just try to Switch and catch up. But still it up. Who the hell's out there? Who's this?

That's Miguel Perez.

Oh.

Alive.

Yeah. Looks like Chavo Guerrero. I love the nation's just still keeping the fist up. You got DLO Brown out there. Looks like a mix of Chavo and a Spanish Tommy Dreamer.

That's. That's very spot on. Pat Patterson's out there.

Patterson's.

Patterson's in the green jacket on.

We got a huge surprise coming up according to Vince. Yeah, I don't know for that.

By the way, ladies and gentlemen, next week we will come to you from Berlin. Yes. We're talking about.

Oh, the Berlin Raw. That R sucked up.

I thought that was a good. I thought that was a good Raw.

The match was good, but the rest of it was shitty. Just the way it was.

Yeah.

Looked like a house show.

Gotcha.

What an flashback to July 19, 1993. What an.

In New York City.

This is a funny segment. I remember this Lawler and Shamrock. Shamrock looks such. Looks like such a goof. Where's he from? Is he from like New York, New Jersey? Must be. Who?

Shamrock.

Shamrock.

He's from California.

Yeah, I was going to say all California.

I think he's from San Diego.

Way back. Way back at the time when I was in high school jv, you might think the same thing, but I always thought like Mr. Golf and looked like a broke pan's kid Shamrock.

I guess. Yeah.

A broke ass can Shamrock. Is that what you said?

Yeah.

Nice. Did he have kind of a dumb look on his face sometimes?

Yes. Yeah.

Okay.

Well, he's kind. He had gotten to an accent. He was also.

Yeah. So strong.

Gotcha. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was great boxer. Yeah.

Oh, that's cool. This is a teacher of yours?

Yeah.

Cool guy too. Good guy.

Yeah.

Trained with Mike Tyson during the Olympics and. Oh, no, not like with him with him, but like was on the same team or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doesn't know what to say. You're a liar. Trying to act like he knows Shamrock. He's like, you're a liar, man. I love the look on Shamrock's face, though. It reminds me of. I guess Shamrock reminds me a lot of people, but he reminds me of Walter White's son, Walter Jr. Too. You're a liar. You're a liar. Why don't you just die? That kind of thing. Yeah. All right. Slammy Awards March 21st at 11pm Jesus Christ on a Friday. What else is Aaron on? Usa. They can't get that on earlier, right?

Maybe La Femme Nikita. Silk Stockings.

Oh, the Stone Cold stunner is up for the finisher of the year. I don't remember who wins, but definitely didn't cast a vote for 90 cents.

Yeah.

Yeah. What a ripoff.

Do you want a beating? Like, because, you know it's 99 cents, but they keep you on the phone for, like, 10 minutes.

Oh, yeah.

Paulie's back and says, you know what? This show has sucked.

Mikey.

All right? We're gonna get a big match and we're gonna get to actually hear. As Taz comes to the ring. Mikey Whipwreck versus Taz. Taz looks like a star.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know why Vince didn't just grab him right away and bring Fonzie back, though. I think Vince, I remember I did watch it not too long ago. Vince seemed impressed with Taz.

Oh, I'm sure it's probably because he's short, though. That's the thing. Like, that probably would have kept him because obviously he's got, you know, he's muscular, but he's short.

Like, you can't realistically have him in the heavyweight division with, like, they would call him Bret Hart. Small, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And he.

And he's bigger than Taz.

Right?

I was expecting. Hey, Pauline. Yes, sir. So this is your extreme championship wrestling right here, huh? This is what you're going to try to sell on a pay per view? This is exactly what we're going to sell on pay per view. Hey, maybe you'd like to get in the ring.

This whole thing seems like this is like a backhanded compliment type situation where, yeah, we'll have you guys on, but Jerry Law is going to talk about it the whole time.

Yeah, exactly what it feels. Exactly what it is.

Yeah, he's just on it the entire night.

Feels like it appeals to the people that actually already like it, but to the people that don't like it, they're like, yeah, maybe this isn't good.

Or.

I mean, I guess the other point could be is Lola's the heel, so of course he should be doing this. And you're like, you, Jerry Law, he's an idiot. This is good.

Yeah.

But it really does seem like Vince was like, yeah, we'll have him on, but just put them down constantly. Look at that.

Man. If I was, I would have been 12 when this episode aired. And if I didn't know, ECW, women. Did that just cut.

Yeah, it did cut.

That was weird.

I don't know.

As I was saying, if I didn't know about the. You know about ECW at this point, seeing this, I would have been like, the is this. But like, in a good way, you know?

Yeah. Oh, this is cool. If we didn't know about it because. Yeah, all these new wrestlers.

I. I agree.

Right. And like, I mean, you didn't see. You didn't see guys doing suplexes like Taz?

No.

You know.

Oh, man, I can listen to Ron Simmons talk all day.

Yeah.

Thank you very much.

Ron Simch needs to be like a motivational speaker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hell, yeah. Who wouldn't listen to him?

Yeah, it'd be funny if there was just like an app that's like, if you need to get your in order to get set straight. Like Ron Simmons just talking to you like the. You doing. Get your together.

Damn right. Oh, that's basically who David Goggins is now.

You know?

David Goggins is.

No, no. There's a person that does that.

Yeah.

Oh, Sabu just jumped off the raw.

Sorry, Jumped is kind of.

Yeah, he fell more like.

Yeah, he fell off the wrong side. Sorry, jv. Keep going.

He felt he fell with. Was it grace?

He fell with style.

Style. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, you got job here.

He did, but that's because they know he can sell and. And take an ass chicken.

Yep. Oh, on his head. Had an arm. Tasplex Paulie making up.

No. Then. Then he goes. It's the one move. Even Ken Shamrock Fears and Vince said.

Like, I don't know about that. Yeah, look at that Taz flag. Look at that. Howard Finkel announcing Taz as the winner. Yeah, all in on it, too. Taz must have loved that, too. Howard Finkel just called me the winner.

You know, he. He grew up watching, you know, WWF and hearing Howard Finkel.

Right.

You know, or even going to MSG and seeing them, you know, seeing the live monthly shows.

Must be cool for Fonzie as well, too. Like, to be back in WWF in this role.

Yeah.

So this night, like, yeah, I used to be this referee here.

Yeah.

All right, so we're about to stop and take a break in about 15 seconds. As they head into the second hour, we got a little slimy award commercial again. Full Metal the album. Remember those commercial JV with like, the kid dressed up as gold hus and shit. The stupid hat.

It was very weird.

Oh, that was creepy. Oh, God. It looked like Sabu dove on his head.

Yeah, he pretty much landed on his head. If Team Taz hadn't been there, he probably would have. Oh, it's the Headbangers.

All right, we're gonna. We're gonna stop there, though, right? Then we'll pick up at 46 minutes for us. But we're gonna take a quick little break, and like always, we'll play a break song. We didn't talk about music at all. But we'll. We'll figure something out, and we'll have a little song there for you right now. So take a listen to that, and we'll be right back.

Well, baby me well late Saturday night I had my hair piled My baby just looks so right.

Well, down a.

Little place that really didn't look half bad I have a whiskey on the rocks and shake turn up and hold.

You by.

I put cold right into that can but all that bleed was discomfort Come on, Faith, baby let's get out of here right away. We're gonna rock this town Rock it inside out we're gonna rock this town make them scream and shout out let's rock, rock, rock and rock rock TV Papa gonna rock this down Rocket inside out Ram when we're having a ball just popping on the big dance floor well, there's a real square Caddy lives in 1974 where can't you look at me once? You look at me twice, look at me again and is it gonna be. But we're gonna rock this town we're gonna rip this place apart we're gonna rock this town Rock it inside out we're gonna rock this time Think of the screen and shine let's rock, rock, rock it, rock I'm gonna rock to it Papa gonna rock to it Dropping on a rock this town Rock it inside out we're gonna rock this town Rock it inside out we're gonna rock this town Rock.

Foreign.

We'Re back now for the second half of the Extreme ECW Live cast. And again, we are covering Monday night Raw episode 198 from February 24, 1997. And we're gonna pick up where we left off. The start of the second hour of Monday Night Raw. And we're gonna get a few more matches. We're gonna get the Headbangers taking on the returning Legion of Doom, Tommy Dreamer versus Devon Dudley. And then the main event, the Undertaker versus Farouk of the Nation of Domination. All right, guys, you all set? Ready to go. Get Time stamp ready at 46 minutes. Yep, yep.

Yes, sir.

I'll give us already set. Go. And when I say go, we go. I don't know if any of you guys even heard me say that earlier.

I did.

I do. That So I have to capitalize on that. Ready, set, go.

He just broke up stuff. Okay.

I broke up.

Yeah.

Hear me? It's funny. Btt, they have deep state hopper and you got underwater proof.

Yeah.

Here. Like a bubble man from Mega man too.

Bubble man.

I played that Thursday. I went on a run. I almost. I got through five levels and I was like, all right, I'm done.

Yeah.

I got the heat man's level and pissed me off and. Oh, actually that was quick. Man's level pissed me off with those games. That level pissed me off and I quit. Is LLD back.

This was a big deal. Everyone loves the Legion.

Yeah.

How can you not.

Remember in WCW when they had the blue shoulder pads?

Oh, yeah, you know, like 90, 96.

95. 96.

Yeah, yeah, 95.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not. Not like in the 80s, right?

Yeah, I like the blue. Blue is cool.

Yeah, the blue. I. I like the blue. I mean, I like the black ones with the actual metal studs and.

But of course, that's the coolest looking. Yeah, that's the more Mad Max type look.

Yeah. With all the. The chains hanging off of them and.

Stuff and they didn't seem like football. Football shoulder pads.

No, no.

These are obviously football.

Yeah.

Why can't I say football? The football. Yeah. I mean, these are obvious football shoulder pads.

Yeah.

Like you even see the brand name of the pads on it. This crowd's hyped. Fellow day.

Yeah.

Headbang is about to get up. Mosh and thrash.

Mosh with a Pantera shirt on.

Mosh and thrasher. Funny shoulder block.

When Raven finally makes it over.

Is it Animal? Basically Taz just taller.

Yep. He's jacked as. That's why Taz.

We got Animal.

He's Taz on the Ninja Turtles Mutant Serum or whatever the. That was called. Mutagen.

Stretch. My back's killing me.

I was going to ask you earlier today, jv, we were golfing. Have you ever played Shredder's revenge?

Yeah, on PlayStation.

Fun, man.

Yeah, it's a remake. The remake, right?

Yeah. Yes, whatever. Came out like a couple years ago.

Yeah.

I didn't mean it. It's. It continue. It's like the same style of the original arcade games.

Yeah, it's like an arcade. Yeah.

I think they came out with a second one.

They came out with a bonus pack. Oh, that has. Has the Rabbit and some girl that's in the Foot Clan. I don't know her name.

The. The rabbit. You saw, Jimbo?

Yeah. Yep.

Wow, that's cool.

Oh, I was at time capsule today, and the guy. I guess they had, like, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toys that they bought. And this one guy, I guess, heard about it. He came in and he bought a few things, but one of the cool things he bought was the helicopter.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

He paid. Ended up paying 25 bucks for it.

Damn.

Yeah, so I guess Time capsule got the whole thing, like, really cheap, Like a bunch from, like, dirt cheap. So he's like. He had a list for 35, and the guy's like, well, I'm gonna get this other stuff too. He's like, can you give me a deal? And Jeff was just like, yeah, 25 bucks. And he's like, wow. He's like, thanks. And he's like. He's like, yeah, I just really want the bombs on him because the bombs on them alone sell for, like, $30. But he's like a legit, like, collect collector. He's like a salvage yard of, like, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle parts. Like, in his house.

Was this the. The. The helicopter or the blimp?

This was the helicopter.

Okay. Because I was gonna say I had that. I had the blimp. And when you were saying bombs, I'm like, wondering if you were meaning the. The blimp. But no, the helicopter had bombs too, I guess.

Yeah, there's like two bombs. They're like, by the. By the propeller, I guess.

Oh, okay.

By the blade. And I guess, like, I'd have to pay $30 just to get the bomb, so just getting the whole set's worth it.

Oh, yeah, that's my favorite one was the. The pizza throw.

Yeah, I had that one too. I had that one. I had the. It was like a Cadillac.

Yeah. Yeah.

I had the van. Yeah, I had the. The sewer playset.

Nice.

Yeah. As I'm talking about this, I'm like, I was a spoiled brat.

Yeah, man. Yeah. All this. I want to play at your house.

Yeah.

You got something else. I can't remember what the it was. It was a couple more toys. And what the Was the other. It was like. Like a. Like an accessory.

Did he have, like, the. The place. Not playsets, but, like, the dress up kit where you got the mask, and.

Then it was a toy.

Oh, okay.

What the fuck was it?

Was it a vehicle?

Yeah, I feel like it was another vehicle, but I draw.

They had a. What the hell was it? Like a jet ski.

Maybe?

That was it.

Yeah, I had that.

Did they have a boat?

I don't know if they had a boat.

A funny feeling. It was like a boat.

It could be.

Yeah. There was something that had like.

It was like a. Like probably like a one seater. Not like a. I remember a boat.

That had like a fan in the back. Like you'd have like.

Like a fan boat.

Yeah, yeah, like a pontoon boat.

And they. And they used it in the sewer.

That's what I think it was in the water. I just remember being amazed, like, oh.

Obviously in the water.

Yeah. Okay. I'm looking it up and yeah, there's a. It's like a pontoon boat with like a fan on the back. Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

And it fits one turtle.

Yeah, that's probably.

Yeah, yeah. It looked like you could fit. It was about the size. You fit like only one figure in it. Not like y. You can fit two in the.

What was it called?

It was the. The muta raft. Then, then that was from 92 and then in 94 there's a. What the hell did. I just saw A pizza skimming jet boat. But that doesn't have a fan on the back. Like it's got a spoiler, but I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, I would have known of the 92:1. Right.

I love showing up there when there's like a deal going down.

That's cool. Yeah. Here how it breaks down. Yeah.

Oh, someone bought a CRT TV. Are they called like the old school TVs?

Yeah, little.

So they were young kids. They were. They bought like a bunch of old video games that were on the wall.

Isn't the resolution on that shit awesome? Like for games?

For games. It's like the frame rate, I guess is like perfect for console games.

Yeah, it's the original. It's the frame. The frame rate. And the fact that because the graphics were kind, you know, blocky and kind of fuzzy, the cr. The fact that the CRT isn't sharp like HDTV is. Now it looks better just because it doesn't look like. Because it's on like a high resolution TV and it's not high res. Yeah, the like, what do you call it? Audio video output isn't. Yeah. The AV is not. Is like low quality. And unless you got a modded console that outputs to, you know, component or HDMI or something, it looks like garbage when you connect it to a current tv. I'd love to get a CRT though, I'll tell you.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know what they ended up Spain, but it was like maybe in their early 20s and it was like a couple. It was like this nerdy dude and his nerdy girlfriend. Yeah, I mean, I'm a nerd if you're there. If you're at time capsule, you're a. Yeah, a little extra. I'm a nerd, but I'm kind of like, I stick out like a sore thumb when I go there.

Yeah, it's like, huh, you're more a normie compared to some of the nerds that are there.

Yeah.

Nerd in disguise. Let you freak out, let you geek out.

I don't really hide it. No, like, no.

No, We've talked about like Marvel and even like, oh, this sick Moldock shirt and everything. So.

But, but Jamie's like, if Robert Dinero walked into a comic book store and was trying to buy comics. I mean, like, I didn't know you were no nerd.

Yeah.

Like you wouldn't suspect it. Oh, speaking of that, jv, I do have an action figure I bought for you.

Oh, nice.

But the box came in shitty, so now I'm like, I don't want to give it to him because the box sucks.

I don't care. I keep in boxes anyway.

Remember, the box sucks. It's came in damaged.

Oh, how damaged?

Like fucking. The top part is like bent.

Is it ripped?

Yeah.

I mean turn it can. I don't know. I don't know what it is.

It's a wrestling figure.

Oh, I'll take your gift, dude. I'm not gonna be like, if the box is damaged, it's a gift. I'm not like, the thought that counts. I'm going to bust your balls about it now though, because.

What I didn't tell you is I bough two of them. One was good, one was bad.

Oh, getting the shitty one.

So like, like give him the good one and just like, maybe I'll just open the shitty one and just have that one as a loose figure. Yeah, if you keep it in the box, then yeah, I'll just let you have the good one. Cuz this one I don't mind hanging, you know, putting it out as a loose one. What is this music?

This is Tell me a Lie.

Tell me a lie.

Yeah, this is the Sean tribute package. Almost like he died, but he didn't, you know, he's just missing a smile.

Do we have an outro song.

Now we ain't playing? Tell me a lot. Do you want. No, this is a Jim Johnson piece of piece of music.

Reminds me of the Macho man and Elizabeth wedding song. Even though that was a real song. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah. And that was also more upbeat and lovey. Not like don't tell me you're never coming back. Like, this is just sad.

What's funny is Shawn Michaels did tell us a lie. That's the whole thing.

Yeah.

And it's horrible. Well, there's that stupid hat.

Yep. And the stupid heart shaped glasses.

Yep. That sucked also. That was a long ass LOD vs Headbangers match, by the way, that we.

Talked about longer than it is.

It was.

Jesus. All right, now we're back to ecw all in all his glory right now. Wow. WWF playing like.

Yeah, fam.

Bua Go.

EC F and W. Yeah.

Here. Man.

I can't even make a. A rude comment about that. I'm just in awe of Buah Bu Onra. Yeah.

Bu's box is on.

Her box is always open for you.

I wish.

Yeah.

Oh, okay. Looked like he was going for Lutha's press, but he got smacked in the nuts.

Yeah. And then kicked in the ass.

O Bulldog. Crowd loves Tom and Dreamer. It was smart for them obviously to go to Manhattan center to get an audience that knows about ECW and it's small enough where, oh, he hit him.

With a frying pan and they allowed.

Imagine this in just some regular arena like in Iowa or something.

Yeah.

It would be flat. Oh, what the was that, King?

That was a cane that holds one.

Flying into the audience and it bounced. Yeah, I went into the ring, but it could have went anywhere.

Yep.

You don't know where that shit's going. Do you think they were selling ECW and BWO shirts? They must have been.

Yeah, they had.

Yeah, yeah, that's. There's so many people have the shirt. So.

Yeah, it's probably in the deal.

Unless they were handed them out at the. To the people in the front row, you know.

It was probably. Probably treated like an independent event. They probably had their own merch table.

Yeah, probably.

By the shirt.

I'd imagine that Vince probably was like. I could imagine Vince being like, we're not going to pay you a lot, but we're going to let you sell your.

The Legion of Doom.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They probably didn't pay him anything.

Yeah, true.

You guys get to be on tv.

Mean they probably could have charged them.

Right.

You need to pay for the exposure.

And Vince should have realized what he had in Paulie already right there. Like, I'll just work here and be commentator. If Paulie could get a good deal, make a lot of money, he would abandon ECW in a heartbeat. Just be like this whole thing.

Buddy. You understand that. When I left my hometown of Memphis, Tennessee, this morning. Let me tell you something. The mayor of Tennessee.

Oh, it's so funny to hear Haymon and Lawler back and forth with each other. They're both quick.

Yeah.

Lol just said, oh, when I left my home in Memphis, Tennessee. Aan cuts him off, says, oh, they threw a parade. Extremely crappy wrestling. Yeah, he says that a bunch of times.

Yep.

You're welcome. This is the last extreme match. You're welcome. Now you're gonna have a shitty match after this. Oh, headbutt into the steel chair.

Yeah, but he doesn't sell it by holding his head.

Yeah, I know.

Oh, pile driver. Yep. Again, not on the chair though. He just called Heyman a jock sniffer.

Remember that? That's. I haven't heard that in a long time. We come back this, the repartee is extreme here on Raw. Vince is like dad in the middle between two brothers arguing. It's nice that Vince though didn't have like any WWF stars come out and like on these guys.

Yeah.

Because if this happened today, he. Well, not today, but you know, not that long ago he would have.

Oh yeah.

As Bubba. Bubba just knocked down Tommy. You the going on in the crowd.

Sandman.

Oh, Sandman. Okay. Man in the box. Like we can't play Metallica, right? We, we'll pay for Alice and Chains. But.

That was the most awkward way of falling into the ring.

They just ripped them from the ropes over. He basically hit his head on all three ropes as he went down. Yeah, he did like Plinko. Vince is like, I don't know what the going on here. What version of man in the Box is this instrumental or is this part of the song? I don't remember a solo like a long.

Must be an instrumental part of it. Yeah.

Look at that. Carolina panther, huge ass logo on it. Basically. All he did though was basically give Vince McMahon a hug. Yeah, that's what it looks like.

Probably whispered thank you.

Yeah.

Germany.

Germany hasn't seen an event this big since they tore down the wall.

Great line.

Knowing how up Vince is on pop culture, he probably thought that happened six months ago.

Yeah. Out here again, anytime. Another personal invitation. And I promise you this, Paul Dangerously. The next time I get within arms reach of you, I'm going to stick my fist right down your stinking throat. You understand that?

It's what we want to see. Paul Heyman versus Gary Law match.

Yeah.

Is going to set the stage for us as to the World Wrestling Federation Championship. Specifically the Hitman against Psycho 6.

All right, so little package here, Jim Ross who's missing here? I guess because they're going to have Paul on commentary for most of the night.

Right.

The man Stone Cold. What a great time. Brett Austin. I love early 97.

Great time to be a wrestling fan. Brett's got his dick right in Austin's.

This Sid is hurt. Psycho. Sid would not let Stone Cold Steve Austin or the pain of his wounded knee stop him from becoming the master and the ruler of the world.

An hour later was cornetted to meet the Hitman.

Yeah.

Jim Russ started it. Now it's cornet.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's why I'm like, what do you mean? Oh my God. Love it. We got Austin on Awesome.

Once again, WWF president Gorilla Monsoon promised the match would go on. Once again, Psycho said. And Bret Hart entered the arena. This time the match would go on with Brett focusing his aggression on Sid's injured knee.

I love.

That's when he started doing that. Right.

Yeah.

As a heel I've been watching over the past few months WCW98 and at the time I thought Bret Hart and WWE sucked. I like him now, watching it as a heel like he was. He continued on as a pretty good heel in wcw. I mean the expectation, I guess I thought at the time was oh, he should go in and be the world champion or whatnot. But knowing the situation and understanding, of course it's going to be NWO related and a Goldberg and so forth. Bret Hart in the role he was in. No, it's pretty solid. I think shooting with ddp Macho Man. It's all pretty good.

I have to give it a re. Watch.

I probably.

He's good on the mic too. He's. He's an.

Wasn't he bitter?

Yeah, right. He's just continuing to be like he was when he turned heel in wwf. I feel like a lot of those bright fans thought he was gonna go and be like the good guy again and be the champion and whatnot. But they just kept him heel.

Yeah. Or like that tweener where like he's not technically a heel, but he's also kind of an to everybody. So.

Right.

Like. Like Austin, you know, he wasn't.

Yeah.

Necessarily a bad guy. He just didn't like anybody.

Right. We gotta up Hillbilly Jim, brah.

He turned right around Hillbilly Jim. Will you up son.

That's funny. A superstars exclusive thing. Out of here.

Get out of here.

Well, stop backing me into a corner.

Meanwhile, we saw into the future random lockers. How long is this recap? Jesus Christ, man. All right, so they're building to Mania.

The PlayStation logo.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Love it, Love it.

Y. Austin versus Brett.

Look how ripped Austin looks.

Those two matches and many more shitty ones.

Yeah.

Michaels really them over right before WrestleMania.

Word of wisdom from the King.

I'm not the champion. I'm not going to be on the show.

I wish they would. McMahon. I got. I got a little something for them.

Okay.

Standing by right now, ladies and gentlemen, we have Todd Cutting.

All right, so Todd's gonna get the interview in Shamrock now. Todd Pen Gill's awesome.

He really is. People didn't like him at the time, but he's actually. I think I. I enjoy him.

I like them. I liked him at the time.

Yeah. Well, no, I'm saying, like, I did too, but I feel like some of like, the more adult. Yeah, we're like, this guy's stupid. Like, what the he's here for. Hey.

Yeah, he's a good live mic guy.

Yeah. Because he did the radio thing. So he's good, right? You know, quick thinking on his feet kind of thing.

WrestleMania title on the line. Undertaker, Psycho, Sin. Who do you like? Well, I'll tell you, it's going to be kind of a awesome, but I think. I think the Undertaker's got a little more technique, a little more balance.

Technique and balance.

Balance.

MMA things like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna.

Start wearing gloves like a UFC fighter. No, quitting him. I don't know if they fed him that line. Yeah, because that's what happened.

Yeah. Ken Shamrock, not a promo guy.

No, it was pretty good, though. Like I said, if they told him some things to say, he nailed it.

Well, that's what I mean. Like, he couldn't just do it off top of his head. Oh, yeah.

Okay.

They had to give him ideas.

Here we go. Russia mother. Hit your knees and stop. Pro you.

Real G's. Move in silence.

They're under it. They're on it right now, these guys. I hope you like to look at sealants, because that's all you're gonna see. Good line. Wait a minute.

Far that's the world's most dangerous man. Don't even talk to him.

Hey.

Something like that.

Where they do that, that cat fighting, cat fighting.

Let me tell you something. You're in the WWF now, where the cats grow to be tigers. And if you think you're a man, won't you step your ass.

As tough as Ken Shamrock is when he has that voice, he's probably like, I don't know. I don't know if I can with that Guy. He's unwithable.

Un with him.

He is unfuck withable.

The best.

That's. That's one of the best stories ever.

Shitty line.

We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. Stay with us for more Monday Night Raw. Who knows what's going to happen? Here's the a PE at.

Are we going to get a full LEM clip here? Who's the actress that played.

Was a blonde.

Well, she's right there.

Oh, that is her. Yeah.

They did show the whole clip.

Yeah, I'm looking at that.

It's based on profession.

Well, there was another movie called Offend Akita, I think.

Yeah.

Isn't that what the performance series is.

Based basically with a different actress.

Peter Wilson.

Yeah, with the.

Natalie.

Yeah, yeah, you know, whatever.

And Gary Oldman killing it. The best roles ever.

Oh, he's awesome.

Yeah, the same, the same guy that, that did Leon the Professional directed. It was also the guy who directed La Femme Nikita, the movie.

Oh, well that makes sense.

Yeah. Luke Besson and the only French director.

That made mainstream in America.

Well, what? No, Louis. Yeah, yeah, he is. But Louis Mall also was a French director that did.

What do you do?

American. Now you're gonna put me on the spot.

Don't worry.

Yeah. Oh, so I looked up the.

Get back to this.

Yeah. The. The woman that was playing La fem Nikita on the usa. Her name is Peter Wilson.

Peter Wilson, Yeah.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Didn't you just say that?

I did, I did, but I didn't know if you guys heard me.

Oh, yeah, I didn't. I don't think I did.

I did. Yeah. I was. I was. I was thinking. I was like Peter Pete.

Fem Nikita Brokita.

The big thing that the Nikita girl. The big thing that Louis Mal did was which is autumn autobiographical film about a French priest and headmaster who attempted to shoot shelter Jewish children during the Holocaust.

Oh yeah, and that was main mainstream movie.

Yeah.

When the hell did that come out?

1987.

Oh.

He also. He also did that. Yeah, he also did that movie My Dinner with Andre. That wasn't really a mainstream per se.

But that's Andre the Giant. You.

No, no, no, no.

That'd be cool.

Yeah. No, in the French Alps. Yeah, exactly. That's like. Like Andy Kaufman did. But My Breakfast with Lassie and that, you know, with Freddie Blassie. Yeah.

Undertaker in his I killed somebody face.

So I, I did a little research as well while we were sitting here and at the end of this year, 1997, Farouk and Ken Shamrock have a match on Raw.

Oh, okay, cool.

I was curious more than anything, but.

I'd imagine they would have.

Yeah, yeah.

When was it?

December. Yeah, just December 30th. So the very last drawer of the year. Yeah. Yep. At the. The New Haven Coliseum in New Haven, Connecticut.

Still in the Northeast.

Yeah.

Geez.

Well, I'm looking at Ken Shamrock, just Ken Shamrock's career, you know, his matches in 97 and legit. All of them are the east coast, not all of the Northeast. A good majority are. But like there's one in Virginia, there's one in North Carolina. So.

In January.

Yeah. It must have been some cost cutting.

Oh, I'm sure.

Hey, Blue Meany made an impact on Vince McMahon. He remembered him. And the blue guy is going to come out here. Know if you heard me earlier, but today is Blue Meanie's birthday.

As we record this happy birthday to.

Blue Meanie, 51 years old today.

Nah. Wow.

May 18th.

Yeah.

And you'll hear this probably like June 10th or something, whatever. Because the previous episode is yet to be released. So. Yeah, well that'll be two weeks from that. We actually, all three of us, we haven't done an episode in a month and a half.

Basically a while. Yeah.

I think like the first week of April was the last time we did one.

Yeah. Yeah. Because the last one that we did was just you and me for.

Yeah.

The dockside. Yeah.

Dark side. Yep.

Which got good reviews apparently from. From some people.

Yeah.

So.

It'S a good episode.

It was good.

Topic.

Is the Dark side of the Ring. About Sandman.

Okay.

About Hack. Everybody calls him Hack, including his kids, his ex wife, his grandchild. Yeah.

I don't know why his brother called him that in the first place.

Yeah. I don't know. Because it's not like. It's not like he's. His brother couldn't pronounce his actual name and it came out garbled, you know, because I know like that's how one of my aunts, her Nick, her nickname is because. No, like my mom who's two years older than her, couldn't say. Couldn't say her actual name because you know, she was only two when my aunt was born. So it, so it got shortened to something and.

Right. It became a cute thing to just.

Yeah.

Keep going with.

Yeah.

That's normal.

Oh, right.

Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, conspicuous by ff gave us that pre recorded report. Jim Ross.

Oh, that's why Jim Ross is in here.

His mom died or something.

Yeah.

Next week we emanate from.

Emanate. We emanate Vince McMahon. It's Choice Awards sometimes. Come on. He thinks he's educating the audience.

Yeah. He's using big words to make him sound like he's more important or he's smarter. And it's like.

Right.

You just kind of come off like you're either pretentious or you're just a jackass or.

He thinks that. Well, that. I agree with all that.

Yeah.

Then this is probably part of it where he thinks that he's bringing some kind of credibility to the product.

That is very true. I could see that.

Well, maybe. I don't know. Because then you have Jesse Ventura, when they did commentary together, and he would speak horrible grammar.

Yeah.

And Vince would always just be jumping on him, correcting the grammar. And that was their little thing. I love this.

I love these little graphics.

Oh, there it is, jb. I never saw the Brett Hart one where he just has, like, nothing on.

Yeah, that's the Shawn Michaels one where he's.

Oh, that's the worst one. Yeah, the Goldust one's pretty creepy too. But I get it, though, because I, I, I used to do that gold dust thing too.

Didn't. Didn't we all?

Wrestling Federation, Rewind. We're back. Ladies and gentlemen, the Undertaker. The Undertaker.

Die, Rocky.

It's the. Die, Rocky. Die.

Oh, that's a, that's a Heisman Trophy.

Yeah.

The chop block.

15 yards.

Yeah.

Automatic press down, Twix double feature.

Making me want a Twix.

Oh, all right, strange question. How do you eat your Twixt.

Left and then right?

Okay, here's how I eat my Twix. Okay, I, I bite off the caramel top first. And I saved the cookie part as a separate.

So you, you eat like the top of it first? Oh, yeah.

I eat the chocolate and the caramel as one thing.

Okay.

And I just eat the cookie and the chocolate after.

Oh, I know. I never thought to do that. That I might have to try that actually.

Yeah.

Save one left, all the right for one of them. Try it. Give it a shot. Yeah, it's nice because it's like the top of it is like a Rolo, basically. Oh, yeah, you like Rolos then.

I love Rollos.

Eat it like that. Then you have a chocolate cookie underneath. I mean, you could just have all three flavors at once, but.

Yeah, but whatever.

You know who else eats a Twix like that? Jeffrey.

I knew you're gonna say some sociopath.

Eat it, dude. Nibbling on it.

Like a rabbit.

Teasing his Twix before he eats it. Like, torturing it. Like I'm teasing myself. Caramel. Then I'm gonna eat your cookie. Then I'm gonna eat the chocolate.

All right, I'm not talking about candy bars anymore. You're gonna stop diving into my mind here.

Is that a Philadelphia Eagles jersey in the front row?

I can't tell. Is that a Jack footage?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It could be a jet, I think.

You know, back to candy bars. Tracking second here. I think eating candy bars. Weird is running in my family because my daughter, she eats a KitKat. Strange. Like, you break the parts off, right? Eat the KitKat. Yeah, it's four. You eat one at a time, maybe, right? Yeah, she just bites across, like, three parts of it. Geez, are you an animal? Like, you just bite the whole thing.

A bunch of savages.

You know the song Give me a break.

No, because they don't probably, like, it's.

Just a candy bar. They do that. I feel like you have to tell them that you can snap them, right? I mean, or Hershey's bar. I kind of just eat it, like.

Has the farts, but I don't. Like.

I don't always break the pieces off and eat one little bass piece at a time. Chunks of pieces.

That's kind of the same thing.

Yeah, I need, like, two at a time. I gotta eat, like, two pieces at a time. Not enough chocolate, that one little piece. Not enough chocolate to me.

For one. For one bite, you mean? Yeah, it is. Because it's like. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I'll give. I'll give you that. Yeah.

It's like three teeth. You using to bite it.

Yeah. All right, so how do. How do you guys eat your Oreos then?

Depends.

Yeah, if.

If. If I'm gonna have milk with it, I'll eat it. Just straight up and then eat it. But if I don't have milk, I'm gonna twist off the top, and I'm gonna eat the cream, and then I combine the two chocolate parts and eat it like that.

Okay.

I kind of do that, too. Depends sometimes.

Yeah, that. That's a fair answer. I. I would pretty much say the same thing.

That's a complex one. Nobody.

It really is.

Twix. Like Mike eats a twin.

Hey, PTT army, let us know how you eat your twixt. Yeah, well, don't call me a psycho like JV did. But if anybody agrees with what I did or does what I did, I do. Yeah, support me.

Don't call me. I called you a sociopath.

Yeah, whatever. Not much difference, but a little bit more severe. Oh, I think psychopath is worse than sociopath. At least sociopath knows how to deal with the real world in some way.

Yeah, that's you.

Hey, got a career.

And. Yeah, you're also crazy.

A sociopath is a functioning psychopath.

Yeah. Eats a Twix like that.

Keep going. I'll. I'll let you in on another psycho thing I used to do back in. When I worked at Apex a long time ago. Would have a snack break or break, and I'd go to the vending machine. I'd get a Snickers bar and Cheez its, and I eat them together. I'd put a Cheez it on top of the Snickers and bite it at the same time.

I would.

So you get like.

Yeah, okay. I would probably do that.

Yeah, yeah.

You get, like, the sweet. Well, the salty aspect of.

Yeah.

Cheese it. And then the sweet chocolate. You know, it's kind of like putting potato chips in a peanut butter sandwich. Yeah, but that's another thing I do.

That'S different than the Twix thing.

The. Man. What's wrong with eating one part of the Twix, bro?

Because it takes, like, skill. You have to, like, sit there like. Like the. Like that just seems like.

No, I know exactly where the part is where you bite into. Yeah. For the separation.

You do it so much.

I know. Now you make me feel like I'm psycho. Like I know exactly, like, where to cut a bone. Like from the skin. And like.

She likes watching people eat a Twix. Like, no, too high just to go lower to get this thing.

You're gonna break the cookie.

All his hand flickering like Gus.

All right, so that ends raw with candy talk. Psycho candy talk. And Lod came back out for good measure there at the end of the episode to up the the nation that ended that we could have ended earlier because we didn't even need to watch this fruit versus untick match anyway in the first place.

What happened the last 10 minutes?

Yeah, you're just talking about.

I got really triggered by that statement.

You did, Jimmy, eat the Twix, T.

Too much for me.

All right, so that was fun. Just fun talking to you guys, as always. That's more fun than watching, you know. Yeah. Right. Watching wrestling. Just bullshitting. And hopefully you guys listening out there enjoyed it just as well and, you know, had some laughs and. And just continue to compound on me being crazy. Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't tried it, try it. Eat the top of the Twix don't get me started with the peanut butter Twix, too. Like, you got to do it that way with that, too.

They still make those?

I don't know. I haven't had it in a while, but when they. When they were available, those were.

Yeah, those were good.

Yeah, those were good.

I mean, there is something to be said about eating a Twix the way it was intended, but. But anyway, that wraps up our coverage. Rick, what were you gonna say?

Oh, no, I was gonna say I just. I. I can remember when I was a. Not even a kid kid, but like teenager or whatever. You know, the. The Swiss rolls. You know, the Little Debbie ones.

Oh, you roll them out?

No, I. I used to eat all the chocolate off the. Off the outside of them and then eat the cake with the cream still rolled.

Oh, I'm crazy.

But like, I break all the.

I roll the shit out.

Yeah.

Oh, man. Now you guys got me thinking, what's wrong with me?

Like, we're gonna give them a complex.

I'm like Dice. I'm dissecting the Swiss roll like I'm taking it apart like a psycho. When they're a kid trying to like, rip open a rat or something dissecting a Swiss roll.

Okay, all right.

I am fine. Like, crew is not anything. Nothing wrong here. Okay. Anyway, that's. That. That was good. Good show. Groundbreaking show. We didn't get into any of our notes, though, so let me just read something quick before we head on out here. Just from the Observer, February 24, 1997. Before the camera working relationship with ECW, which has been going on behind the scenes for some extent now, which had a test run planned angles were abruptly dropped a few months back. So apparently they were going to try to do this type of thing with Raw earlier, but they had to change plans and then. I'm going to pick up now on a new twist on February 24th at the Manhattan center, the second live two hour raw show. However, this time it appears ECW won't be the heels or invaders. That ECW will be like AAA, a baby face promotion. Working with WWF. The exposure in that position pretty well guarantees that whatever chance there was for ECW to totally flop on the pay per view is now exceedingly slim because the exposure on the wrestling show with actual large mainstream viewership should at least arouse enough curiosity to break even for the buy rate. I think that's good commentary from Meltzer there. I think it should work out that way. Then they go ahead. Yep.

No, I was gonna say if you remember at. In your house, Mind Games, was it Mind games where Sandman spits the beer on Bradshaw or Savio Vega?

Yeah, my games. Yeah, whatever the September was, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was that. And then the next night Taz jumps the guardrail with the big sign that says Sabu fears Taz. I think that's when they were originally gonna do that. And then they changed their minds because that would have been what, four or five, five months before. Yeah, that lines up.

Yeah, that makes sense.

That's. That's what I'm thinking is. I think that's, I think that's what he's referring to, you know, Meltzer is referring to is them doing it. They were going to do it before and then they dropped it.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

But yeah, I agree that it does kind of. It paints a different light because if they were invading or if they were the heels, like it's one thing, but them just being another promotion that's working with them, they get a little bit of a different rub, so to speak. Although as you pointed out, it's also a thing where Jerry Lawler spent the entire show on them. So how much of a rub do you really get from that?

Yeah, it's a half hearted rub.

Yeah, it's.

It's a, it's a hand job where the girl doesn't give a about what's going on.

Yeah, it's a, It's a shitty hand job.

Yeah, shitty hand job. Perfect way to sum up this episode.

The February 24, 1997 episode of Monday Night Raw was a shitty hand.

Have hearted at best. All right, so with that said, let's wrap things up with the Extreme ECW Live cast. Wrap up. All right, we'll be back in two weeks with the next episode of the Extreme CW Live Cast. And we're going back to hardcore TV for episodes 201 and 202. It's February 25th and March 4th of 1997. And again, please check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast the career of Stone Cold Steve Austin. And we are now getting into stunning Steve second half of the series with episode 17, return to Battle Bowl November 93. And we'll be moving on to the December 93 episode with Austin and Dustin Rhodes being the. The main aspect of that episode and Austin's title shot @Starcade93. And again, please follow us on X and follow Me Mike Pruitt MPRUA3 Paul JV @ John Van Damage Follow Rick BB @ Leo Y85 and also follow Hybrid cast. Hybrid wrestling. Hybrid wrestling Cat. Is that hybrid wrestling cast?

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All right. At hybrid underscore cast. And of course, follow us here at extreme cast. Thanks, guys, for listening. Guys, you have anything else?

I do not.

Yeah. Nope. I'm. I'm all. I'm all rod out.

All right. I'm Mike pro. The psycho candyman and JV and Rick B. So long.

I'm never gonna win this life hasn't turned out quite the way I want it to be.

Tell me what you want.

I want a brand new house on an episode of cribs and a bathroom I can play baseball in and a king size t big enough for 10 plus me.

So what you need?

I need a credit card that's got no limit and a big black chair with a bedroom in it. Gonna join the mile I Club at 37,000ft?

Been done.

Now I want a new tour bus full of.