The J. Cw.

Just being in this miserable piece of soulmate.

We're not a wrestling organization anymore. We're the biggest puppet show.

I don't need a weapon.

My hands are my weapons.

Weapons.

Quote to Raven Evermore. I'm pregnant.

The era of the ecw.

I have something to say to you.

Welcome to the extreme ECW livecast. And this week we are covering ECW hardcore TV episodes 193 in 194. And it's Happy New Year. We are in 1997. And we'll be covering January 2nd, I think, in January 7th of 1997. I'm Mike Prue along with JV and Rick Beebe. As always, welcome back, guys. How you doing?

Pretty good, bro.

Can't believe it. 1997.

Yeah, we there.

93, 94, 95, 96. This is the fifth year of ECW smoking through this. And this is the year that they blow up and they're on wwf. They get pay per view. So big year in store for us. We're gonna kick it off with January 2nd. And like I said in the opening, I think. Now the reason why I say I think is because there's different dates for this episode all over this place. Over the place. It's episode 193. So at least that is some kind of indication of what episode this is, because if they didn't have a number for it, it would be a pain in the ass to find. Because this episode is also listed as December 30, 1996. January 2. Like this one. January 4, January 7. So there's all these different dates. And because of that, that caused confusion for a lot of people that put these episodes out and have them available. So what we usually use is the Internet Archive. They. They said it. They don't even have the episode. It seems like they didn't know how to label it. So when you go to 1997 in the WCE, DUB, or actually it's not even called dub. It's like they use a different word for it.

Redo.

Yeah, yeah, Redub. That's right.

Yeah, they. They just skipped episode two, which is the January 7th episode. But we got it. It's on Peacock. So we're gonna watch the Peacock version. We weren't able to get the. The regular copy because our friend is world traveler and he's on vacation. And he said he'll get it to me next week. And, you know, I didn't say, oh, forget it. I just said, okay, knowing that, oh, we're not gonna need it. But, yeah, so they'll have it eventually, but it doesn't matter now. Yeah, so we're gonna watch this on Peacock, which can be a pain in the ass because of ads and just painting the balls. But we did do Peacock episodes for, like, the first year of doing this show. Like all the 1993 was. Yep. Was on Peacock. So maybe we'll go back to hearing that. That music from the. Yeah, we definitely will.

The crazy, generic music.

Yeah, all the generic music.

Oh, yeah, Damn.

Remember the one that goes one.

Yeah.

That one. So, yeah, we'll probably hear that in the opening. But before we get all to that, please give us a follow on X Twitter that Extreme cast. Follow me, Mike Pro at MPRUA 3. Follow JV at John Van Damage, and follow Rick BB at Leo Y85. Also check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast. The career of Stone cold Steve Austin. And our most recent episode was wrapping up the Hollywood Blondes episode six. So we finished that miniseries. Hollywood Blondes are done. And Stunning Steve is off to another singles run under the tutelage of the Colonel Robert Bacher. Gonna be part of the stud stable. Stunning Steve in the stud stable. So we're getting to that with our next episode coming out soon will be episode 717 of Stunning Steve. And it'll be the beginning of that singles run. So again, that's on the bottom line. Wrestling cast falls on X Twitter at Bottomline Cast. Also check out Rick BB's podcast, the Hybrid Wrestling Cast, and you can follow that on X Twitter as well at Hybrid Underscore podcast. Wait, what is it? Hybrid cast. Hybrid underscore cast.

Hybrid underscore cast. Yep.

At Hybrid underscore cast. All right. And any update on that, Rick?

Well, I actually, as of recording this, I have pretty much got the recording for episode four done. I just have to edit it, so it should be up by the time you hear this.

Oh, nice.

I decided to take a slight detour. As we discussed on the previous episode of the Extreme Live Cast, I'm skipping talking about the fourth event from Pancrase and just jumping right into kind of the passion project of it, the history of Japanese pro wrestling. And the first episode that we're going to be talking about has a lot of backstabbing and a little bit of intrigue and some shaming. It's. It's. It's going to be quite a ride and. And. And a limb being broken already, so.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So I would imagine.

I'm sorry, does it look gruesome?

Well, I don't know that. I don't know if there's actually footage because the. It. It happens in 1949, 1950. So I don't know if there's really much for video footage, like full footage. But I can imagine it was probably pretty gruesome to. To watch because it was 20, 000 people watching this match that it happened in in Brazil. So. Yeah. And the guy didn't. Still didn't want to give up either.

It's that honor.

Oh, yeah.

Too much honor.

Too much honor. Not enough brains.

I was gonna say. I would imagine people will have heard that already at this point, because this episode we're recording at this moment in time won't be out for probably like a month because the previous episode is not even out yet as we record this. So that'll come out, and then this will be out, you know, two weeks after that one. So Hybrid Wrestling cast. You probably already listened to it.

Please.

It's available and listen to it. And then give all your feedback to Rick Booby.

Oh, yeah.

At Hybrid Underscore Wrestling. Cash in at Leo Y85. All right, guys, I think we're all set with the opening, and we can get right into some ECW hardcore TV in 1997. We all good to go?

Yep.

All right, so here we are for ECW hardcore TV episode 193, January 2, 1997, on Peacock. And on Peacock. This is season five, episode one, and it's 46 minutes and 10 seconds long. I'll give us a countdown three down to one. If you're gonna watch along with us, and you can actually watch along with us on this one because it's Peacock and we all have the same access to it. So I'll give a countdown three down to one, then say play. When I say play, we all click play. 3, 2, 1, play. There we go. Times Square. Is it Times Square or Times Square?

I think it's Times.

Yeah, I always thought it was Times, but in the notes that I read from the observer, it says Times Square.

Nope, Says right there, Times.

Right. They just showed a sign. Meltzer 1997 ball.

For a second there, I thought it said tit.

Oh, street musicians. Up and away and away we going Away we ride.

Going Away we go.

And away we're riding away we go. I love that. All right. We're off the rails. I just said it.

Oh, yeah. No, you remember that video?

Yeah, no, Tom Green was from Tom Green Show.

Was it Tom Green?

Yeah, he just. He was just talking to some, like, old lady out in the street and he just stopped singing. And then she stopped singing with the.

Megaphone in her face.

Oh, no, now I. Now I need to see this. Oh, I don't remember that. I might have seen it, but it's hilarious. The Saturday Night Live skit where the Giving it up for homeless ville.

Oh, yeah, yeah. All the Justin Timberlake. Yeah, those are funny.

BWO chant. Oh, Santa down.

I wonder what music they're supposed to be playing here. Probably some Christmas music. Yeah, so Stevie gave the super kick to Santa Claus there.

Yeah.

We didn't mention the Blue World Order was there. And there it is.

Yeah.

This is not a bad generic song they got.

Listen to that bass line, man.

Yeah, I like. Just reeks of like 1994 ECW, though. That's what just reminds me of.

Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't fit. We're now in 1997, fellas.

Right? Oh. Oh, that was perfect timing with Buella, huh?

Yeah. Yeah.

Y. Oh, thanks for the titty shots that you sent after the last episode.

Yeah, yeah.

Not as like, she doesn't have the areolas that I thought she would, though. No, Kind of just like nipple.

They're very nice nipples.

Yeah, but.

But I know what you mean.

All right, so Joey's talking about the Eliminators becoming two time ECW Tag team champions and just won the titles at that New York show. The Middletown New York show.

Yeah. Holiday Hell Tour.

Took the belts off those shitty ass gangsters. Fed up with the gangsters.

Enough of them.

Sick of this. Always getting in trouble.

No order, no respect.

They don't. I wouldn't consider them professionals. They just shuck. They just show up to these ECW shows and just cause chaos in their real life.

You couldn't. You couldn't tell them not to show up. So you're kind of there like. They're just like, yeah, you're on the show.

We're on the show.

Right, because we're not on the show. You don't have a show. Oh.

They must have busted a lot of tables in that ring because look at that sawdust everywhere. Yeah, it's like they took out a saw and just sawing tables in half.

Unless. Unless the garbage can that grabbed was full of sawdust.

Well, that's logic right there, Rick. It's good to have you on the show. That's definitely what it was. It's like a fucking carpentry shop barrel.

Yeah. Fucking flashback. Having flashbacks to high school fellas. Yeah.

All right, so this, the gangster is winning this was November to remember.

Was that November to remember or was that earlier like in when they win?

Oh, in August.

Yeah.

Oh, but that was the fatal four way tag team match that they won the titles in.

That's right. Yeah.

Unless that was it and it was just down to them. I don't remember. Yeah, but I'm looking at it now because in the observer they posted like a rundown of all the title changes in the year. Yeah, The Eliminators. Gangsters beat the Eliminators. Simone Gangsters, Bruce brothers. On August 3rd, ECW arena.

Hit Total elimination. The ball game is over. We now take you to the closing moments of the matchup.

All right, so now we're going to go to the Eliminators defeating the gang. There you go. Got dude with the Riddler T shirt in the front row.

Man. That's. That's the kind of Gangsters match you want to see now. The last five seconds of it.

Yeah, and maybe I'll get more excited when New Jack teams up with Cronus.

But yeah.

I don't know. I mean, I don't mind Mustafa, I guess it's New Jack. This is the one that's on my. You know, one that irritates me.

Yeah.

Annoys you.

He was the one that was yelling at you at the Bank Street Armory.

That's true. Maybe it goes back that these guys on my street yelling obnoxiously.

And we got some more generic music covering whatever the Eliminators have going at this time.

Yeah, it's usually. No, that's the Pit bulls that have the opening theme song.

Oh, well, it is that one point they use Harvester Asaro from Metallica. But I don't know if they were using it at that point or not or if that was like the earlier, you know, Jason S M Eliminators.

Right.

That's somebody we haven't seen recently. Jason.

Oh no. Been gone.

Yeah.

All right, so gangsters, like we're not giving you the belts, but now they're finally gonna give it all over. Here. The back of New Jack shirt looks like Grand Theft Auto writing. And maybe it was the first GTA came out back then. Shitty one.

Yeah, the one from like 95, 96. The top down one.

Yeah, yeah.

That one was so cool at that point. But now you look back and you go, really?

This.

This was enjoyable.

Oh, it got so much better. That's PlayStation.

Yep.

All right, so we got a promo.

I got a ad. I'll let you know when it's done.

Okay. That Rick coughing A vlog. All Right, Rick?

Yeah, I'm good. That was. That was the Gatorade that went down bad.

Wrong tube.

Yep.

Such a helpless feeling.

What kind of Gatorade was it?

It's the fruit punch.

Oh, that's why. Gotta drink the blue one.

Well, they didn't have the blue. They didn't have the blue one. Yeah.

Losing Rick in the background.

I swear I just like spun my chair around and everything trying to cough away from the mic because I don't have a. I don't have a mute button.

Saturn's face looks so up right now.

All right, what's your count?

9, 16. 9, 17, 18, 19, 20.

PR and I'll dare on.

I'm there. I'm like one second before I got 23, 24.

All right, one second behind.

Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

The way that this graphic is like moving like, like a wave making Saturn's face all deformed.

Yeah, he looks like constipated at times.

Corona's face doesn't really change much at all though.

No.

Yeah. Saturn's face looks like something like out of a movie where the face is starting to deform.

Yeah, like lawnmower man.

Right in the eye. He can't see anything.

All right, this was a good match. I. I like them more so for Candido on Commander and.

And this DVD on. On Peewee was a pretty good one too.

Yeah, that was good. Gotta go. Stop it. Lis Mauley as an actual body Donna. Who was it that posted it? Was it Brian Martin? About my comment about Luis Ficoli, something that the funniest line of the episode.

Oh, what? Yeah, it was Ben Martin. What was that?

You said Brian Martin. I was like, huh?

Oh, I said Brian Martin. Yeah, yeah, Ben Martin.

What was it? It was. You said.

Something about Louis Vancoli.

Yeah, yeah, it was about body Donna.

Yeah, Let me try to find it, then read it. I was like, did I actually say those words? Because that sounds weird. Bingo.

What?

All right, there's at extreme cast line of the week. He was a fake body Donna. Skip, dip and skip dip.

And that definitely sounds like something he said. I remember that now.

Skip, dip. And Sonny wasn't none of them.

That's right.

I do remember that. Now skip dipping.

Raise my hand.

Raising your hand goes like this. You're getting belly to bellied Luis. Like the up and cominging baby face in this territory. Like the top baby face mini rock over there. Pebble.

Yeah, the pebble. Yeah.

Douglas jacked as.

Dec. 7 at the ECW.

He's like, I gotta show off my bot. I gotta take this shirt off. All right. A new triple threat. When the Bam Bam. Coming back to being a triple threat.

Yeah. Oh, I saw. So he's in a big match this year.

Bam Bam.

Yeah, against. It showed up on my Instagram as a real.

Because I. I definitely know there's a. There's a. There is a big match in 97 involving Bam Bam. I'm curious to see what it. What you saw, jv.

I don't remember, but I know it's like a. It's like the start of a new pay per view or something.

Okay.

Oh, is it.

I'm. I'm wondering.

Living Dangerously.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What was the match at Living Dangerously. Right.

I was gonna say Taz. That's what I was thinking.

That's. Oh, that one's not this. That's not this year.

Oh, that's 98.

Yep. I'm pretty sure.

Ah, okay.

I think it's like January of 98.

March 1. 98. Living Dangerously, March 1.

Okay.

Bam Bam Taz. TV title match.

Asbury Park.

Yep. Asbury Park Convention Hall.

I've been. I've been to that convention hall. Not to. Not to see anything, but I was down at. It's. It's right on the beach, and I went with a. My best friend. We drove down to Asbury park for a music festival, like 2022. And it was on the beach, and then the Asbury Park Convention center was right there. So I. Like I said I've been inside of it kind of, but it's a pretty cool building. And it's like literally just right there on the. On the beach. On. You know, you walk out. Walk out the back door and you're at the beach on the boardwalk on.

The Living Dangerously Wiki page. And for the image, it just shows the convention hall. Yeah, it's like an old building.

Yeah, yeah. And it's got like a mural painted on the side of it.

Looks cool. I was gonna say. Yeah, it's. It's designed like an arcade. Like, not like a video game arcade, but like.

Yeah, no, literally, that's. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

His fists, but his speed as well.

All right, we got Randam Candido in Allentown. I can't believe this is Ag Hall. This is where all those WWF tapings were. Really, man. So small.

Y there.

It's got to be a different. The camera makes it look small.

Yeah. Because it's looking up. Yeah. And it's close. Yeah. This is a fan cam, by the way. Listen. Is. Yeah. WWF was shooting higher up and down. They couldn't see all the ceiling that we see. Looks like they're in a barn.

It does.

Or like a place where a flea market would be.

Yes, yes, a flea market.

They're really enthusiastic about their ECW chant. They want to get the up there in their seats, front row people just sitting down. Ecw. Ecw. We don't act like the Philly people here in Allentown. We got more respect.

We got more class.

Yeah.

Trying to work his way back to.

His feet.

By the ponytail. And now Candido.

I hate this shaky camera. It's making me dizzy.

Yeah.

Yeah. The fan cams suck because the. They're always like super shaky.

What an idea, though, to sell more videos. Like, not only do you get the special ECW arena shows that you could buy. Well, hey, you could get a fan cam of any of the random shows too.

Yeah.

Shitty ass quality.

Yeah. Yeah. At this point, Candido had been an NWA Champion.

Yeah, that's right. I remember that from Pro Wrestling Illustrated that he had. The title.

Goes to show you how amazing the NWA was that they. They were able to put it on. On Chris Candido. No shots at Chris Candido. But he's the World Heavyweight champion. All five foot six of them.

Yeah. Definitely can't take shots. That's. You're right. Like, that's just the reality of the situation.

It's more of my. It was more of my comment that the NWA was. Was on life support at that point.

I mean, of anybody they could give it to, he's probably the best one.

Yeah.

Somebody that wasn't affiliated with WWF or ecw. Wcw. Really?

Yeah. He was in Smoky Mountain, I believe, at that point.

Yeah. Smoky Mountain done at this point. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. They were done at the end of.

95 at some point. Yeah. Early. Yeah.

I thought it was right around Thanksgiving of 95.

Yeah, that's right.

Yep.

Yeah. They were supposed to have their big show and then it just ended.

Yeah. Thanksgiving Thunder. It's going for the blonde. Bomb shot workout.

Yeah. Back body drop off the second rope. Van Damme's going up. Cross body coming. There we go. Oh, I love that when the cross body reverses 2 conf. Candido. ECW fan cams. Like voyeurism.

Yeah. Well, the. The quality that. That you're all seeing right now is pretty much the quality of the mass transit incident video, except it's. It's a lot darker. Well, for the arena itself is not as well lit.

Oh, but it's not well lit at all.

The rings lit. The rings lit, but it's not much better. But then, like the rest of it, you can't really see the. The crowd very.

Look at Darth Vader over there. Is that you? Tv?

I don't think that's me. It might be.

Is that me? It's not. I don't think it's me, so it must be me.

I mean, my sinuses are bothering me.

That could be it. It sounds like you're, like, breathing right into the mic.

Oh, is that better?

I don't know. See? Not hearing it now.

Yeah.

Now I'm afraid to, like, breathe.

No, no.

Too close to my mouth.

Yeah, that's probably what it was.

Yeah.

But, yeah, we don't need you dying over this, Jerry. I'm not gonna breathe anymore. Rick's choking on. You're gonna stop breathing.

Everyone dies today.

I was sick as this week with a stomach bug. It was killer. It went through the whole house. Pooping, Pooping water for days.

Everyone's getting that.

Yeah, it was horrible.

I'd haven't gotten it, I think. Oh, I'm due, though. I haven't gotten sick all year. I got perfect attendance.

That's awesome. Oh, it's for. Coley's got the referee.

Looks like a. Like. What do you call a TV tray that you eat on?

Pretty much, yeah.

TV tray that I have my computer on to do the show.

I don't know if you guys heard in the background when. When Candido pulled up, pulled Spicoli up, some guy yells, it's the body daughters.

That was cool. Yeah, Luis Piccolo gets a little revenge there on Candido, the triple threat.

What about Taz?

What about Taz? What about me?

Yeah, what about me?

Oh, that was nice. Right hand. Oh, Samoan.

Oh, he just threw a chair. Maybe JV's a little bit further back now. What's your time?

I am at 2208.

You're, like, a minute behind.

A whole minute behind.

What the happened?

I don't know.

Where are you at? What's your count? I didn't get 23.

23. 20.

That's weird. I just got a ad, though.

All right, let me know when you want.

It's a plaque. Psoriasis ad. Tesla.

Oh, oh, oh.

Did you pause, Pruitt?

No, I didn't pause. And just keep going. What time he needs.

I need this Otezla. I'll be way happier with life. Apparently.

Listen to all the side effects. All right, so right now we got Joey Styles talking about Taz and eliminators and all the going on in ecw. Joey's big boy suit. Look how long that sleeve is. Hello. That sleeve hangs down, right?

Yeah.

Jesus.

That's like. That's like when you. You go to get a suit before they tailor it.

Yeah, just take it off the rack.

Yeah.

From Burlington Coat Factory Discount.

All right, I'm back. Where do I go?

All right, we're at 24, 41, 42, 43.

All right, I'm at 45.

So you see Taz?

Yep.

Said leather jacket on.

All right, Taz about to cut a promo. Let's see if we can let y'all listen.

The extreme grappler.

What a badass.

Versus the extreme striker. But you had to bring a weapon in a chair. You see, Van Damme. I don't need a weapon.

Lost his voice.

My weapons, I'm a walking weapon. But I didn't complain, I didn't moan to the ref. Cuz I know. I knew that I was gonna choke you out and put you down. You see, Van Damme, that's respect. Now I'm gonna teach you the meaning of a different word. Rob. I'm gonna show you disrespect.

Oof. Shayna. As rocking some Oakleys. Or those focalies. Remember that? Yeah, those are folk leaves.

Putting Fs in front of everything. That sucks.

Folex those.

The feed box. Just say it on anything. Those things are funky.

I don't know.

What do you got? What are those Finlands?

Got the fingers on my toes.

And this is how it goes.

Only thing you can't do that with is fubu. You got to be like, are those some ruboos?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Those fugazi. Yeah.

I can't even get rid of the B and the U because then you just like.

It's like the name game song. Mana F. There certain rules that you have. You can only replace letters in certain spots. Can't with fs. Special announcement.

Extreme Championship Wrestling.

Oh, funksters of the style we employ.

Is gonna make one more go at it. Saturday night, January 11, 1997, at the ECW Arena. The man who made his return at.

The November to remember Desperado.

That's probably what there was originally planned.

Definitely.

Terry.

No. 1996 was a vintage year for the franchise. And Francine, people tried to get at us.

And once in a while they did.

Paid the price.

Remember that guy? Alejandro Armando?

Yeah, I got another Ave. Have it your way 30 more seconds.

I'll have her my way, that's for sure. Proof.

Yeah, we got Francine on the screen here.

Oh, I rather have.

Shane Douglas is cutting a promo number.

One belt, and you can't have it just like me. I'll take 115 pounds of Francine.

It's probably around that. Maybe less.

What's the. What's the time?

Yeah.

2909. 29, 10, 11, 12.

I'm there. Joey styles, right?

Yep, yep.

What the is this fake song sound?

It sounds like everlong by the foo fighters, but like the knockoff.

Yeah, yeah, it does sound like a foo fight.

Is challenger after challenger after challenger until he finally made the mistake of taunting pitbull number two, who at the time was managed by Francine, who we didn't know was already in the franc.

I mean, it's not terrible.

No, it's not. If it was a hit, it would probably like it. Well, since we don't know what the it is, like, what the hell is this? It's what I would have called at the time. College kid music.

College rock.

Yeah, this is college rock.

Jericho, number two and the franchise. Shane Douglas, Pitbull 2, and the franchise.

Dude'S playing this in their dorm room thinking they're gonna get laid. Yeah, they're all sophisticated. I'm smart. I'm studying for my test. Give me a hand job.

Jerky. Jerky.

They're the. They're playing that blue something. Trying to get laid. Hey, baby, what about breakfast of Tiffany? Suck my dick.

All right, so now we cut to an old match. Number two versus Shane Douglas.

Yep. This is when Francine turns on the pit bulls.

Yep. Kicked in the nuts. The enth d getting up. Pitbull number two. What the hell's going on here? She's banging Shane Douglas. That's what's going on. Oh, franchise on her ass.

It goes like this. She's been franchise.

Is it pouring out?

That was funny. It's funny. When you did that yashane Douglas laugh kind of like turned into a Freddy Krueger laugh.

Yeah, I know. I was, like, really proud. I was really proud of it up until the point I started to laugh and then I was like, oh, ruined it. Welcome to prime time.

Oh, that's great.

This place is. We're on him tonight.

What's that?

I said we're unhinged tonight.

Something in the air.

Freddy Krueger has the great one liners, though.

Yeah, he does. He's the best.

He's definitely where the road war he's got water rush from.

Oh, yeah.

When he puts the needles in that girl's arms. Yeah, yeah. With the spiky mohawk.

Oh, yeah.

In my dreams I'm a badass.

They think she's like a. Basically like ensuming she's a druggie.

Right? Yeah. That's the storyline is she's a, she's a junkie.

Yeah. It's been a while. It was like made to take drugs by like her stepdad or something.

Yeah.

So that he could bang her.

Yeah.

Some crazy.

That's the. Yeah, that's the implication. I don't think they quite go that way.

No, they never said that. How did I interpret that as a kid.

No, no, no, I did too. That's the thing.

Yeah, I did too. Yeah.

Kind of like, kind of, kind of like they don't, they don't out and out say that Freddy's a child molester. But it's like, it's, it's, it's there. You know, like most people that are serial killers, they don't just go out and be like, oh, I'm gonna kill like a 16 year old for fun.

Right, Right. They're raping them.

Right.

It's also like he loves kids, but he loves kids so much he wants to hurt them.

Yes.

He's a pedophile.

Yeah.

Like what is it? Like the remake. They kind of dive. They actually get into that with.

Yeah, the remake remake. They more blatantly say that he was molesting because he worked at like a preschool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wasn't he like the janitor?

Yeah.

Really lean into like a stereotype. Every custodians likewise.

Like what the. Exactly.

Especially ones that look like Jackie or Jackie Earl.

We got the, you got the male gym teachers going. They're taking the heat off of us.

They have no bargaining pile. We should get more money. You're like, well, technically everyone kind of thinks you guys are pedophiles. You guys, that's your stereotype according to Hollywood.

All right, so what match we got in the. Now this is still the, this is still the fatal one.

Heat wave. Yeah.

They literally play this whole match.

They're showing like the last 10 minutes. It's crazy. It goes back to my, my favorite or least favorite thing. He does all this, hits him with all these different things and Pitbull won't go down. He gives him a belly to belly.

Yes.

And that's what pins him.

Really.

You just hit him with a table, you hit him with a chair, you hit him with a chain.

Because Enough is enough, right?

Exactly.

That was the straw. Final straw.

Yep.

Oh, spin kick. Over the top.

He's like a hard bump, too.

Yeah, yeah. There it is. There's the belly to belly.

Yep. Very few people do it better, but.

They have a good knockoff. Deep Purple.

Yeah, this is. This is very much a good.

Sounds like it.

A good knockoff of it. Yeah.

I could hardly hear it.

It's kind of faint. It's like the ice. Ice, baby. It's just a little off. It's not. It's got a big match coming up. Raven versus Mikey. See how little Raven does in this match. Betty does.

Joey is disgusted.

Yeah. So they continuing with the highlights of the Douglas Pipples feud.

Yep.

Look at that.

Holy.

What was all the white in the ring?

I think that. I think that somebody used powder. I don't think it's coke or anything, obviously.

Oh, there's people number one here.

Yep. This is. This is when. When he whips him around by the halo.

Oh, yeah. Shane gets some tremendous heat here.

Y scary heat.

Encouragement now coming from Gary Wolf Pit.

This guy's got his back turned. He's not even watching, just talking. Where are we going after this, guys?

Yeah. Who's open?

Going back to the Travel Lodge. Man, I wonder if that girl from Damage Control is single. She's really hot.

Where's she going after?

Yeah, right. Scorpio's room.

Dude, I bet you if Francine met me, I'd bet she'd bang me. Yeah, I bet. Okay. How would you want to bet?

I could bag Bueller. Tommy Dreamer's not that good.

Dude, you don't even know my skills. I stopped talking to her.

Especially in Philly in this area. That's definitely happening.

What I was just saying just reminds me of Marty, too. Yeah, you remind me of the Bill Burr clip. Like, got me thinking of how we used to be with girls.

I love Marty. He's so funny. That was the best out to eat. Oh, yeah. Like, dude, we're, like, agreeing with you and he's, like, arguing with us because we found, like, a couple holes in a couple rare instances where it happened.

You're right. Backstage. Yeah.

Swearing.

Yep.

Can't believe you did that. Everyone's pissed.

Yep.

The fancy cranium.

Who the.

It was that nerd ass that just jumped up.

Get over here.

Where's Children of the Corn? Raven's kid?

They kept it. They kept him in the background.

Oh, that's right. It's not Raven's kid.

It's Sandman's kid's Kid, I honestly, I think he's almost done. Or if he's not, already got school.

With the breaks over.

Yep.

I'm your daddy now. That sounds like a. That sounds like it would be a Freddy Krueger. Is it? Yeah, I was gonna say it sounded like a Freddy line.

Yeah.

Which one? What's that from? I'm your daddy? No, no, no. He says, I'm your boyfriend now. Sticking a tongue through the phone. That's awesome.

When you. When you watch it now, you're like, it's the cheesiest prop. But I'm sure in 1984, it scared the out of some people.

Makes it good. So bad.

It's good.

Yeah.

You really appreciate it.

It's like. You guys ever seen Chopping Mall topping one?

I don't think so.

That's not me.

It's. It's a very cheesy 80s horror movie. It's set. It's set in a mall, as, you know, a lot of 80s movies were. And basically these, you know, I don't know if they're high school kids or if they're, like, in college, but they decide to, like, they work at the mall, so they kind of, like, stay behind so that they can have, like, you know, an orgy, basically. Like, you know, hang out and drink and smoke weed and everything. But the mall has installed a new security system where there's robots that are supposed to be passively. Well, they. They wander the floors of the mall and, like, will passively. What do you call it? Apprehend you if you're stuck in there doing wrongdoing. Except the mall gets struck by lightning and it fries the circuits. So they just. They turn into killer robots. And these. These. These teenagers after have to basically survive. It's so cheesy, but it's amazing. It's like you said, it's so bad, it's good.

Oh, that's funny. It's called shopping. Shopping.

Chopping. Like.

Okay, I was gonna say, you know, chopping.

Original.

I like it. That's clever.

Originally called Kill. Originally it was called Killbots. But I think Chopping mall kind of, you know, better. Yeah.

All right, so here we are. Middletown, New York, December 20, 1996. We got Raven defended against Mikey. Raven was just sitting on his ass with Lori Fullington creeping around in front of him. She was much hotter. I think before she was all grungy.

Yeah, she was hotter as peaches. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think.

I think you're not doing. This is more of like a heroin girl look, like.

Yeah.

Not down with that, let's not feeling the heroin. Oh, heroin. All right. So, interesting results to come. Let's see how interesting it is.

That's the Brian Pillman shirt that Mikey. Yes.

What was the name of it? We. We had looked that up in the past.

I forget. Yeah, it's in one of the quality control centers.

Yeah.

But you can still buy it to this day. That's. Yeah. Thanks. With his bright pink tights, Raven has on a shirt that says the Sandman on it for some reason, but it's not a Sandman T shirt.

That's the Overload.

Yes.

Overload shirt.

There you go, Raven.

Sandman. The comic book.

Yeah, the comic. Thank you.

Yeah, the comic. Yep.

I think I'm still, like, a second behind you guys.

We're at 40. I'm at 43, 10, 12, 13.

Yeah, I'm like, one second behind. I'm not gonna mess with it.

Good enough. We're only. Yeah, it's only three minutes left.

Yeah, they do some weird clips in this.

Yeah, we're not seeing anything special here. No, just some shitty reversals. Got a little chair in the corner. DDT to Mikey.

Then Mikey holds his knee.

Oh, it didn't hurt my head much, but I hurt my knee.

Oh, I think he legit hurt his knee.

Yeah, probably.

Raven went to grab for that leg, and you could almost see Mikey go. Don't touch it. Grab the other one.

Oh, yeah, Mikey's.

Yep.

Who?

The Charles in charge outside of the ring. He's got his little jacket. He was near Peaches right out there.

Chachi over there.

Scott Bale.

Yeah.

Oh, Sandman's in there. Oh, DDT to Sandman. Oh, take his cane. Stop beating his ass with it before he does it to you. Yeah, there you go.

Beat his ass.

Oh, Peaches got it. Whack to the head coming. Where's my child support money?

Where's my child support?

Oh, Mikey goes to grab Peaches, but Raven's not standing for it. Picks him up. Gonna give him another ddt. Well, let's just slam him with the belt. There you go. Knock them out, Mikey. Just Hakaloogie up in the air.

Sandman's got the cane, though.

Whoa. Swinging a miss. Ddt. Damn. It's just. Should have stayed in the back, man. Now start hitting him with it and get all those little pricks.

The splinters. Yeah.

Yeah. Tina. Raven. I thought Samuel just pulled out like a. As he was getting up, it looked like he was pulling out cigarettes from his pocket. Now this.

This.

I'm done.

He stole the belt.

Oh, he's walking out with the bell. I thought those pants got all ripped. The you must get another pair. And that wraps up the first episode. Episode 193 of 1997.

Yep.

And got a lot of recap in that episode of the Pit Bulls. And Shane Douglas.

Yep.

And we got Rob Van Dam, Chris Candido. That was fan cam. So that kind of sucked.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of lackluster way to start the year. Hopefully we get a little bit better on the next episode. January 7, 1997. Now, the shitty thing about doing the peacock version is we didn't have any music. So you know what the we're gonna do for a break song. So I will come up with something. Oh, yeah. That said, let's go into that break song and then we'll come back with the next episode of Hardcore TV 194 from January 7, 1997. Take a listen to the brick song. We'll be right back.

Sweet dreams Some of them wanted use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them.

Some.

Of them want to be of you who had a mind to disagree shall we work at the Seven Seas? Everybody is looking for something All I sweet dreams are made of these who.

Had a mind to disagree.

Some of them wanna get you by Want to be with you Some of them want.

To foreign for the second half of the extreme ECW live cast. And we are going to cover episode 194 of ECW hardcore TV. That's from January 7th, 1997. We're going to watch this on the Internet Archive. And we got a run time of 52 minutes, 24 seconds. Matches come from December 20, 1996 in Middletown, New York, and the January 3, 1997 show in Webster, Massachusetts. Okay, so like I said, this is going to be on Internet Archive. So if you want to watch along with us, go ahead and get there and sync up with us. I'll give the countdown three down to one, then say play. When I say play, we all click Play. Rick and J.V. good to go.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

All right, listeners, if you need to pause and then come back for the countdown, here we go. Three, two, one, Play. There's Desperado.

Yeah.

Terry Funk.

I want to know where do you get a pair of tights like that?

Why do you think I have a. I don't know if I ever said this, but I have a theory of why he wore those trunks.

Okay, what's your theory?

There he is. He was uncomfortable with his legs at this Point in his career. So he found pants that had a pattern that distracts from what the size of his legs are. You can't really tell because the stripes and the colors. Lens.

Yeah.

You know, so you can't really make out that he has these skinny old, old man legs.

That's a good theory.

So he found these pair. Like he started wearing like 90, I think 89. 90, whatever. He was still pretty jacked back then. So anyway, maybe he liked them so much and then realized, I'm just gonna keep wearing these because these will hide my legs for good. Yeah, that's a great point.

Yeah, that is a really good theory because like, like we've discussed before, the reason why Shane Douglas has the tassels on his boots is because he didn't like his calves.

I'm in this theory.

Yeah. I mean, I think it makes sense. Like we're, you know, people are self conscious of things there. Try to find ways to hide it. Especially if you're a wrestler. When you're almost naked all the time, you gotta find some tricks.

That's funny. They are almost naked. Like this guy just. Well, what's your time? So I think froze quick.

I'm at 0150. 51, 52, 53, 54.

On with me. All right.

I'm at 59. Two minutes.

Okay. All right. Finally we got a good opening. We don't get the Hitman. Now I feel like I'm back in 1997.

Yeah.

With the real music Man. We. We do this show legit. We do the show late at night when. When this kind of would be on.

Yep. Sometimes it's like.

Oh, oh, okay. Blue World order taking over. What were you gonna say, Rick?

That was slick. No, I was gonna say, and sometimes we do it on Saturday nights like. Like right now. When. Yeah, when it would have been. See, we would have been seeing it too.

Yeah.

Under what corny song they'd be playing for this on Peacock? Because this one's pretty corny. That's playing right now.

Yeah.

I wonder if it's.

I think they could get away with playing this. Yeah.

Oh, true. Yeah.

Because what the hell is this? This is nothing.

Yeah, it's the BWO theme.

BWO posing in there. What are they in Todd Gordon's office?

Probably. That's what it looks like.

That's where they are.

Yeah. And the jewelry store. Carver W. Reed. Yeah.

Pawn stall.

Yeah, he was pawn broker of the year. You know, I don't know if you.

Have like PlayStation and video games in that place.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Wouldn't you?

They used to be a place. Bob's Bargains. Fall River. Where it was on South Main Street.

Okay.

Everybody had. Yeah, I was like a pawn shop. And they had a lot of video games. And thinking back now, I didn't realize as a kid, but, like, oh, poor kids. That their dads or moms had to take the playstations and then pawn it in. Yeah, money. I got it for that kid there. Kids are all happy. It's like, sorry, we're gonna take this back now. They probably just made up. Oh, you're not listening. We're taking your PlayStation, right? It'll make it feel like it's the kid's fault.

Four kids traumatized. He's like, I get bees, and I'm a good kid and I don't go to school. And they pulled.

And all I said was I didn't want dinner. Yeah, I gave an attitude. And they took my PlayStation away. Oh, man, that sucks. But, yeah, that was definitely happening. Some houses, some apartments in Florida. Like, how do they have all these games? How they get all these new systems?

It's either that or they were stolen, you know?

Or that, too.

People going to GameStop and steal them or whatever. Best Buy or whatever.

Yeah. How much. How much can I get for this police station?

Right?

Hey, my shit's pausing. I don't know.

Mine just. Yeah, mine just, like, paused, and now it's like the colors are okay.

509. 510, 11. Okay. All right.

All right.

Don't tell me.

You guys okay?

Yeah. No, no, no. I think that's the. The video. Just the. Whatever the upload was, that's what. It caused it, you know? Hey, that was my buddy Eric. You know, Remember I was telling you, dude that just. Yeah, I swear to God. He was wearing a BWO shirt, and he just yelled at Axl Rotten. Holy.

Oh, keep an eye out for him.

Shout out to Eric.

This is Webster, Mass.

Dude, he is famous. He's. Yeah, he's Internet famous.

That's awesome.

The immortal Spam from the Mutants of Boston.

Hey, we haven't played Marilyn Manson, did we? Oh, maybe we did.

I don't know that we have.

I don't think. I don't think so.

No. Okay, we'll do this as the break song since we don't have one.

Yeah, no, I'm gonna be watching to see if I know anybody else.

Dreams.

Yeah, I think that's what this is.

Yeah. The arithmetics. Axel Ron is going to take on Big Stevie. Cool. This is January 3rd, 1997 again in Webster, Mass. Two days before my 14th birthday. That would have been eighth grade. Yeah. This the last half of the eighth grade school year. So Rick was in sixth grade, JV was in seventh, and I was in eighth.

Yep.

When all this is taking place. All been in the same middle school at the same time. I wasn't the same middle school with JV though.

Oh, yes. Yeah. That's crazy.

That would have been the one year that we would have been following middle school.

Middletown, New York. Every state has a Middletown.

Yeah.

Just like every town has an Elm Street.

Elm Street. You beat me to it. I. I gave a second delay to see if you're gonna say it and you did. You nailed it.

Honestly. That's an Elm Street. That's one of my favorite quotes from that movie that I still. I still will quote to this day. I'll be like, every town has an Elm Street.

That one's from Freddy's Dead, right?

Yeah. The Final Nightmare. It wasn't the final night.

Was final for a while until he goes to hell and then Freddy. Freddy's dead because it was. Yeah, there was nothing after that. Freddy's Dead was the next one.

Yeah. Well, I mean. New Nightmare.

Oh yeah. New Nightmare right there. Holding the sign.

Holding the sign.

That's sick. I was just gonna ask that too.

Yeah, he's.

I wonder what brand of T shirt they use. If it's like a. Or something.

Yeah. 697 fruit of the Loom. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't know if Gildan was. Was in existence then.

I think they were. That might. That's the brand I was trying to think of.

Okay.

That might have been one.

Yeah.

There's so many of those gilding T shirts. In my grandparents house they had a printing company so they did screen printing too.

Ah, okay.

That was one of the shirts that was. They're just boxes of.

Ah, okay, cool. So yeah, whatever the cheapest was I would assume would be what ECW was using.

Yeah. Probably keep them separated. All right, quick rundown of the Middletown, New York show. I'm gonna run through some house show results. December 20th. Sabu won the rumble, which we covered last episode. Spike Dudley Feed Gorgeous, jq, gq. The Gorgeous whatever the his name was. Brian Lee defeated Luis Macaulay. Bubba Ray defeated Devon. Rob Van Dam defeated Chris Candido. Sabu defeated Balls Mahoney. Just come in. At that point. Raven defeated another match we saw last episode. Previous episode. Not.

Sorry.

That's right. Tommy Dreamer and Beulah defeated Shane Douglas and Francine, what spot were you talking about?

Brian Lee falling off the scaffold.

Off the scaffolding.

Y. Oh yeah, that's badass.

Gordian Bam.

Bam.

Battle of both bams.

Yeah. Battle of the Bam.

Battle of the Bam Bams.

That bam. Big way cool though.

And then the battle of the LBT4 dance. The top dance with no top. A top.

Yeah.

DCW Arena Extreme Warfare. All right, let me read another house show Result. Quick following day, December 21st, Staten Island, New York. Yeah. Luis Pacoli defeated Balls Mahoney. Mikey Whipperack defeated GQ Gorgeous. Chris Candido defeated Spike Dudley. Brian Lee defeated Bubba Ray Dudley. The Eliminators won a three way match to keep the ECW tag titles over the Gangsters and Sabu and Rob Van Dam. Pitbull number two defeated Devon Dudley. Raven defeated Sandman. The championship match. And then Tommy and Buell once again defeated Shane Douglas and Francine. All right, back to the action. Rick, what was that song that was just on in the background?

Oh, that song.

That was a good song.

Yeah.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Then it gets loud and crazy.

Oh.

Oh, man. I'm just seeing the on the news. Cranston man arrested for DUI crash. And they're showing like the wreckage and. And a. A car seat in the middle of the road that someone the guy had to pick up. Hopefully you have kids in the car.

Yeah.

All right, so Axel Ryan, on another note, choking the out of Stevie Richards.

Who the is this ref?

I was gonna say who's this ref again? From the high school? Webster. Webster High.

He looks like he's 12.

Hopefully he doesn't ask to get cut open by anybody.

Good callback.

I keep thinking we're gonna see under Boo because of the shirt. Steve's looking for some titties under that.

You'll have to wait for the meanie.

Oh, he's giving him the slam.

Yeah.

Face.

I love the drawn on beard.

That's great because the blue mini, that.

Beard sucks when it's real.

Yeah.

And it might suck less with it being fake.

It might suck less that it's fake.

I can't believe blue mini's been around for just about a year already at this point. Yeah, he came in like February or March. The was that I think he's dusty roads.

Yeah, no kidding.

He was shucking and driving.

Yeah.

Oh, what do you say?

That's. I think, I think you said. You like that, don't you? I'll turn you over and ride you like a. I heard the first part.

I know the Second part. Yeah.

This definitely has all the look and feel of the Massachusetts Armory.

It does?

Oh, definitely.

This is a town hall.

Like, every little show in Massachusetts has this same setup where you have the. The balcony. Yep. All the town hall meetings and. Oh, Headbutt to the balls to the Rottens. The blue guy.

Right in the little Stevie.

And one third of the bwo may be black and blue before this matchup is over.

The crowd's talking to him.

The crowd just goes, what, are you gonna suck his dick?

That's great. Believe a lie in the back. Yeah. Believes a lie. What is that, like from 2024?

Yeah, no kidding.

Leave the lie. The coochie cutters.

Coochie cutters.

Stevie Ray's coochie cutters.

I want to make that my next ID in a video game.

Who's this ref? I don't know if it's Mean Mike Crockett with hair.

Crockett. Did you ever. Did you ever ref for ECW in Webster, Massachusetts? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you showed him his video and asked him and he knew the guy.

Oh, I bet he would know.

Yeah.

Who it is.

Yep. I'm. I'm still convinced that I went to an indie show in 2004, actually, one that the aforementioned Eric was wrestling on. And I. I swear to God. Crockett was the one of the refs.

I bet he was.

Yeah, yeah, Yep. Him and Fat Pants.

Fat Pants?

Yeah.

What kind of pants were those?

You don't know about that? You don't know about Fat Pants. Oh, Todd Sinclair is. He was a ROH ref, but I know Thompson Clay.

I didn't know it was called Fat Pants.

Yeah, they call him Fat Pants. It's like a term of endearment that it's not. They're not, you know, like. Yeah, it's a loving nickname.

Oh, nice, Stevie kick. Come on. One, two, three. Nice.

Yeah.

Yeah. Let's put this clean.

Win this to rest easy win was.

Under win from Stevie. He's supposed to be Diesel, but he does Shawn Michaels moves.

Yeah.

Is on a roll. Can Hollywood Nova pick up where Stevie just left off later on tonight when he goes face to face with fellow member of Raven.

Oh, so this is a BWO episode. Now we get to see Nova versus Brian Lee. We are going to get some highlights over the matches from this show. Get a good mix of. I love when Blue Mini does the race of who's in Blue Cheese Mo.

Of course, now it's blurry, so I can't see the other guy's Faces.

Is he over there still?

Yeah, he's right there, right next to Stevie.

Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's probably his best shot that he's been on camera then before, probably. All right, November to remember. All right, let me run through another set of house shows. Downington, Pennsylvania, December 27. Chris Candido defeated Mikey Whipwreck. Luis Macaulay defeated Balls Mahoney. Spike and Bubba Ray defeated the Bad Crew. Gangsters defeated Devon Dudley and Axel Rotten. Stevie Rich is defeated GQ Quarterman. Guess that's gq Gorgeous. The new name ECW tag team titles were defended by the Eliminators. They defeated Sabu and Randam Pitbull Number two defeated the Bulldoza. Brian Lee and ECW Championship match Raisin, Rob Raisin, California Raisin. Heard it through the grapevine that Raven defeated Sandman. Then Tommy and Buell teamed up once again defeat Shane Douglas and Francine. So that's just an on tour match right there. All right, back to Joey Styles song is this. I like never listen to what Joey's talking about. Like what song is that?

Oh, this is Bill Alfonso though.

Your ear.

Alonso sighting.

Oh, there he is.

There he is again.

This sounds like the band that sings that song. Ah, can't think of it. I just had it in my head.

But after total elimination on Sabu Sapu, again only using one arm. This is just speculation. We have no confirmation. Again he responded, refused to compete here in Webster, Massachusetts. Instead he named his handpicked replacement in.

Anyway, can't think of it, Taz. Shaking hands with Chris Candido and Webster, Mass. Oh, it is the town hall. Yeah, literally. All right, we got Dudley's against each other. Devon and Bubba.

This is one of the P P number two.

Oh, yeah. Where is he?

I swear to God, he was standing right there.

Oh, yeah, there he is.

Yeah.

That was quick.

What's it say on his score sheet?

Stud?

Score, Stud.

He's gonna die. So GR is. Oh, oh, now. Oh, so we're just getting a bunch of little clips.

That's all right. It's a good one.

I like this.

Francine, my turn next.

Nice dress.

Yeah.

Definitely doesn't have a bra on right now. There's a flapping.

Not. Not sure she got panties on either.

Even better.

Yep.

Holy shit. He didn't just hit him, he threw the chair at him.

Now he's a shame.

Tommy with a figure four taking after Dick Flair. Oh, Francine's in there with no underwear. Pula's in there. Oh, ass. Ass is out. She has no One around, then people will get in a show.

Oh, yeah. The lucky people at the Webster Town Hall.

This is a place of politics and. Yeah, democracy. We got asses hanging out. All right, so we got the hometown boys, the Eliminators, up against Spike and Bubba.

Bubba.

Spike's a Massachusetts guy too, right?

Rhode Island.

Howard Island.

Yeah.

Was he from in Rhode Island? Coventry.

I was gonna say Pawtucket, but I could be wrong on that, too. I'll look it up.

Whoa. Tilt the world, Spike. This guy's like a monkey.

Yeah.

What the hell?

Providence.

It's funny seeing him.

Yeah, I know. He looks so different in wwf. I mean, not so different, but a little bit.

That's our guy.

I love him. In wwf, when we were covering Stone Gold. Girlfriend's a bimbo.

I mean, that's a guy. Cuz we're from too.

Oh, yeah. Oh. Got some height there as he came down on the Eliminators. At least they're standing up saying ECW in the front row. Not like those Allentown kids.

That looks like McLovin in the front row.

It did. What are you, Geppetto? The vest. He comes out.

Yeah.

Oh, man, I need to watch that movie again.

Yep.

One line is in that movie.

Geppetto.

I'm gonna tip top shape right now. He's trying to go to wwf.

Yeah. Or wcw.

He doesn't go to any of them, right?

He does not.

Great elbow drop by Saturn, y'all.

Saturn is one of the best. That total elimination was awesome.

Yeah. And that total elimination shows up in. In promo clips.

Is it?

Yep. Notice the tag belts?

Yeah.

They got the new WWF looking ones. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, they got hooked up with a belt maker. I made basically replicas of WWF belts. Those are the World Tag Team Intercontinental Champions.

Yeah.

Killer Kowalski presents new belts. Also special belts just for the Eliminators. That's if I was the Eliminators. They lose them, I'm like, you ain't getting these. You get shitty ones.

Yeah, they do. Switch the other belts too.

Yeah. The TV title. What's the TV title look like?

Does he only wear a blue. Sorry. Does he only wear a blue bow tie?

No, no, he switched. He switches it up, I believe. To answer your question, Pru, for some reason I'm picturing the winged Eagle for the TV title.

Oh, yeah. I think you're right.

And then the World title doesn't look necessarily different like a WWF belt, but it's different than what it's been.

Yeah.

For you to be blessed with the presence of.

What's the stud Muffin have to say is he bringing in here at.

Please be Francine. Please be Francine. Please be Francine.

The human tennis ball.

Ladies and gentlemen, at this particular. Ladies and gentlemen, I give to you.

Yeah, we can hold the camera still too. You good? He's laughing.

Yeah, his voice squeaked and he couldn't contain himself. It's funny.

Okay, so now I come to ecw. I was undefeated. I was showing everybody what I was all about. And Mikey Whipwreck was my partner against the Eliminators.

That. That didn't go well.

Killed Mike all frustrated. Funny.

It's a different story, pal. And I'm going to teach you a lesson that nobody else in this business has ever learned to figure out. Because when the last time you knew me, I was a different guy, pal. Now I'm going to show you what I'm all about. Because I am Chris Candido.

Oh, no gimmicks needed you the first time.

Yeah.

And we got a show coming. July 11th. France. France franchise versus Tommy. What's it. Oh, this is House party. House party 97, I think.

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Usually they did House Party in January.

How come they don't promote the names?

Sometimes they know the names like after. Yeah.

Okay.

Sometimes they're not sure what they're gonna call it.

Yeah, it's. It's not until like after. Like basically after this when they started having pay per view that they start kind of giving names to. To the shows more so some of.

Them they already know like.

Yeah, like he.

November to remember.

Yeah.

The main ones.

Yep. Holiday. Hell yeah. But then, yeah, like House Party or Living dangerously and that kind of thing. Guilty as charged.

They've already had a house party, so you would think they would just know like, ah, that'll be House Party again.

Yeah. Didn't they did house party in 96. I think that was the last Public Enemy match.

Yeah. Back in 89. Dropped too much acid. What lyrics are those, man? Now we hear the same song again. Time to go head hunting.

The ref going off on that count?

No, that.

The referee, the way he was counting and like the way the edit was.

House of Pain congratulates the eliminators.

I was just looking it up. That was House of Pain.

Yeah.

Called Fed Up.

Drop too much acid in 89, huh? That is.

That.

That is a quality lyric because it me. It makes absolutely no sense.

May be spreading themselves a little thin because right now it's time for the first ever meeting between members of Raven Hollywood Nova, who is part of the factioned off Blue World Order. And the bulldozer for hire, Brian Lee. Not a devout follower, but he will tell you he is on Raven's payroll. Also on the payroll of the world television champion, the franchise, Shane Douglas. That will tell you how a dangerous and and in demand. The Bulldozer really is.

This Bulldozer. It's prime time. Hell out of here. Bulldozer. All right, so we got a recap from two weeks ago on ECW Hardcore tv. The BWO coming on in during the Sandman Sabu match. Devon Dudley involved too, taking a Stevie kick out of the ring. Flops over there. Sandman about to take one as well. Stevie kick to the gut.

Yeah.

There's the Bulldozer. He just bulldozed them out. Almost bulldozed himself out. Yeah. This is the Battle Royal. That's right. Yeah, that makes sense.

I like these all blue BWO shirts better.

All. Yeah.

World Order.

So there's the history of what's been going on.

That's the history.

Yeah. I was laughing. I was laughing to myself, too. History. Yeah. It happened two weeks ago. It's about backstory or recap. Here's a recap of what's happened. This is the history.

Yeah, Recap or the start, even.

Right, well, history story so far. Let's see where it goes before we proclaim it history.

Right, Says the history teacher.

I took a yesterday. That's not history. Yeah.

He wants to be a contender for every title. And he wants to make big Stevie Cool proud. He wants to continue the phenomenon of the Blue World Order. Can he do it against the Bulldozer?

Oh, Joey's got a different suit on, more fitted.

Yeah.

Individual.

I don't give a what song this is.

Train Train by Blackfoot is.

Oh, is it?

Yeah.

Blackfoot.

Ricky Medlock.

Kenny Powers.

Yeah.

Who's this guy?

You're out still rocking?

Still rocking. The mullet in 97.

Yeah. Right. Let it go.

Getting powers. He looks like a bunch of messed. I thought he was from Death Valley.

He's from wherever a rat's gonna buy him clothes. You ever hear that story when he was in smoke when he was in Smoky Mountain?

Yeah, yeah, I heard it on ptt.

Yeah.

Wherever. Girls will buy me clothes.

Yeah. Or. And food, obviously.

It's crazy that guys had, like, their own girls and towns that would get them that they needed.

And a couple weeks ago in Middletown, New York, there was a King of the Hill Battle Royal. Where it was, was every man for himself. And yes, you did eliminate the entire membership of the Blue World Order over the Top rope.

And that I can admit that you were the better man. However, even though it was every man for himself, he had some. Some guys more than others, if you know what I mean. Brian Le. Like, I have nothing to say. I'm just waiting to kick your ass.

Right. He's like, get to the point, Stevie.

Right.

Just kind of rambling here.

Different ECW Fan cam look.

Yep.

We got double cams. The TV show on. We got the fan cam, double cams.

Just like Francine double cans. Goes. Goes back to your. Your. Your comment from earlier. Not earlier today, but just in general about how you can pretty much put. Put words out there and it can mean boobs.

Yeah, boobs, dicks, whatever you want, right. Everything.

Else being tossed around like a rag dog.

Yeah, vaginas. That's a tough one actually, though, it's tricky.

It is. It is tricky.

No matter what. Sounds offensive. Sounds like it's a slur rather than like, oh, I like those tits or something. Like, yeah, oh, those are nice bazon. Like, oh, no, I can't wait to hit that. Fruit box. Something.

Yeah, yeah. It's either. It's either it sounds offensive or it's like people look at you like, what the was that? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Fruit box. Each pit.

Peach pit.

That one's pretty good, actually.

No, I like. I like that one, actually. Yeah.

Because it is a pit. Yeah.

And it does kind of look like a peach. Yeah. Hey, it's Killer Kowalski.

Killer Kowalski. Ready for. Ready for his fifth grade picture.

He looked like he was lost out there.

It's almost like he's not even there. Like he's in another location recording it.

Yeah. Oh, is he. I thought he was choking himself. Who's choking him? Oh, Brian Lee.

Yeah, but they. They get zoomed in too far, so no idea what the was going on. We thought maybe he was having a stroke or something.

That's what I thought. He was just, like, doing some, like, goofy. Oh, man. I thought he was just, like, talking and just started going, oh, my head hurts from laughing. Do we really have to watch this music video of House of Pain? Okay, good.

In stores now. Back when he used.

Yeah, Tim goody points. All right. December 28th, Allentown, Pennsylvania. From 1300 people, Mikey Whipwreck defeated Bad Crew. He defeated Bad Crew by himself. That's weird. Pitbull number two defeated Devon Dudley. Spike and Bubba defeated Balls Mahoney and Jimmy Cicero. It was Jimmy Cicero, Rick. Remember? Sounds familiar, that name.

Looking it up.

Stevie Riches.

Yeah.

Stevie Riches defeated Axel Ryan. Brian Lee defeated Lis Piccoli. Rob Van Dam defeated Chris Candido. The Eliminators beat the Gangsters. And Sabo and Rob Van Dam in a three way dance to keep the ECW tag team titles. Tommy Dream and Buell defeated Shane Douglas and Francine in a dog collar match for the ECW championship. Raven defeated Sandman. Downingtown Pennsylvania show on December 27th brought in $14,000. In the Allentown show brought in $20,000.

Damn, that's good money.

Yeah, it's pretty good.

So Jimmy, Jimmy Cicero was a. In an indie guy. He was trained by Ivan Koloff and he debuted in 92. And he may or may not still be wrestling nowadays, but.

Oh, yeah, only if he was in early ecw.

Yeah, I don't know, it's. It says that he's wrestled for the uswa, ECW and wwf. I'm assuming it's, you know, he's Jobber, basically.

Yeah, most likely.

Yeah.

We got the Eliminators cut in a promo. Let's try to hear what they're saying with those nice clean tag team title belts.

No, I want one of those.

Those are awesome.

We've never taken nothing personal, not until now. Brian. Chris, you got a good old fashioned Boston ass kicking coming.

All right. Lemonade. Want to kick some ass? Boston style. Awesome. Bad boys. Raven's talking about Sandman and his wife leaving him. Better father than you. Got bigger dick than you. At least that's what she says. So much bigger than my exes. Something out of a pawn.

So just a quick ad for Jimmy Cicero. He. He was in a battle royal back in January, so he's still active.

Oh, nice left. How old is he?

55.

Huh.

I think he was older or younger.

No, I was thinking he was probably gonna be older than that, so.

Yeah, no, he's 55. Apparently. Apparently he. He wrestled, you know, Mike Jackson back in, in May of last year.

Like, like Jack Mike Jackson?

Yeah, the old, the old Jackson with the bed jobber with the beard. No, no, I'm pretty sure it's the, the, the Jim Crockett Jobber from like the 80s.

I'm trying to think of which one's Mike Jackson.

I will. Mike Jackson's 74 years old. Let's just put it that way.

74 year old Mike Jackson. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wasn't like Jackson like on like an ROH show?

Yes, or. Yeah. And he, he showed up, he showed.

Up in maybe it was like Flare's last match, that show or something?

Yeah, I think he was on that show. Yeah, but yeah, he was at. He either shows up on Impact or AEW at one point, like a year or two ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to have a beard.

Yeah, I think. I think he did at one point.

Again, like the Crockett days.

Yeah, yeah. Back in like the 80s. Yeah. Now he's. Now he's like bald and clean shaven and.

Yeah, he was. They always say he was like one of the better jobbers.

Yeah.

Like actually put on good matches.

Yeah, I think he was the guy that Flair had a. Flair had like a 10 minute match with.

Yes.

Or something.

That's right. All right, so we got Sandman and Raven here.

Yep. It is a match. He's still carrying around the old. The old belt.

No, ref, I think it's just a brawl.

Yeah.

Now you see it. Slam his head into the belt. Oh, look at this host. Oh, the host of SNL right now. Some big tatas. Really? Holy. She's smoking.

Who?

Blonde. Her name is. Click on the info. Sydney Sweeney.

Oh, you don't know who that Sydney Sweeney is?

Sydney Sweet.

Oh, yeah, She's a quick.

Yeah. It's the first time you've seen her.

Yeah.

Wow.

Oh, I like what I'm seeing right now on SNL Live here at 11:40.

She's hot.

Where's she from?

Euphoria.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yep. She's. She's also in white. The White Lotus.

That's the other one. I was thinking of.

A White Lotus. I. Those are kind of like the same type of shows, right?

Oh, and she was in the new Spider man movie. Spider Woman. Madame Web, whatever the it is. Spider Girl.

Yeah. Madame Web.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know who she plays, but she's in it.

Sandman just got suplexed on the table and it didn't break, but it bent the. Out of that leg.

I need to get what times with these new chicks.

Yeah.

It'S probably like 27 or something.

26.

Yeah, 26.

She. She wasn't born when this match happened.

Yeah, she would have been. She was old. She's young enough to have been one of my sixth grade students when I first started teaching. Sixth grade. Jesus.

Yep.

That's. I'm old. That's the problem. What are they in a school? School hall. Yeah.

What is this now?

They're in the town hall.

Looks like the.

Yeah, it is the town hall.

Kindergarten Cop.

Oh, we're in the. We're going in the bathroom.

When they're running through and then they go into like the basement area. Dominic. Yeah, don't listen to him.

Dominic. My father Dominic.

That guy always reminded me of Raven. Johnny. He was like Johnny Polo.

Yeah, don't worry, don't worry. Dirty's gonna take care of you. And his ass grandmother. His mom is such a. She's like the one behind everything.

Yeah.

Like you know who. Talking about the villain in Kindergarten Cop.

It's been forever since I've seen it, but. But yeah, I think I have an idea.

Oh, reminds me of Johnny Polo. I learned the merch area. Oh, no.

They're in the bwo's little VW's self made locker room.

Yeah, like that time I went to the bathroom at Bank street army and Hugh Morris was taking a piss. Yeah, this is like the same kind of room.

Like a random sink right there.

They got everything plus the random room sink. What the kind of weird room is this? That's where they make the deals.

Or even wearing eye makeup.

I don't know. The whole area is bwo.

Yeah, apparently.

Fake Ted Dibiasi right there.

Just gonna say that, dudes. That dude's dollar store. Tia, you and I are like on the same wavelength. Pru.

Yeah.

BWO shirt now.

Oh, that's funny. Just needed a new shirt.

Cannibal corpse T shirt.

Throw them off the balcony.

Why did. What? That's exactly what I was gonna ask.

What the hell's gonna go on? Yeah, this is pretty cool. Yeah, I like how they're going around this building.

Yeah. Yeah. As far as a Raven match. This is more entertaining because they're doing, you know, like you said, they're taking a tour of the building.

Yeah, it's a great building for it.

Yeah.

You see, the arena sucks compared to.

This, you know, because this place has like the balconies and stuff. Plus there's a little, you know, alcoves that they can kind of hide in and stuff.

Yep. They have to be wiping blood off the walls. The next couple to see. You just left the blood stain on that wall.

I know.

Professional. Down here.

The cannon right in the middle of the town.

Yeah, this is the relic.

They're never gonna be allowed back.

So, you know, you're in a Massachusetts, then there's a. There's a freaking, you know, weapon of war in the front lobby.

American Revolutionary War canyon.

Yep, yep. Don't.

Oh. Even the old death. But cheers.

Yeah. Yeah, the. The town hall in. In my hometown, there was like, you know, rifles and sabers from like the Civil War and glass display cases in the lobby.

Wow. Yeah, well, there's Only two minutes left. How the they gonna wrap this up in two minutes?

Damn. This episode flew by.

I feel like it's not gonna get wrapped up.

I know. Maybe we're gonna knock out everything.

We'll continue this next week.

Tape machines are rolling.

We are desperately out of time.

Tony Schiavone style.

Yep.

Title.

I like this. This is good. No referees, not even a match. It's just.

Yeah, it's stuff battle. It's what it should be. I mean, these guys.

Yeah, what the the point of the ref anyway?

Yeah.

Yeah. It's just a brawl. Straight up fight. They are need a match. Let's fight.

This is going to end up like the. The end of Rocky 2. They're both going to throw a punch at the exact same time.

And I got to watch this. Snl. Sydney Sweeney. I'm missing out. I got. I'm gonna watch White Lotus Euphoria. Watch some spider man.

Got a lot to watch now.

Why are you watching all these shows with Cindy Sweeney all of a sudden?

Such a great actress?

Oh, she's big upcoming. She is that.

She actually is, like, could up and coming.

Oh, yeah, I'll be up and coming.

All right.

So that's guys. I hate wrestling when these guys show up. I know they're great.

You don't have to worry about it.

Now, but when I was a kid, I would watch this and I would say.

Like.

These guys are old.

Even when they're young, they looked old because they're here.

Just when I was a kid, I was like, these are old guys.

Well, we don't have to worry about them this week because that's next episode.

I can't wait to watch them, though. I like them now.

Yeah, it should be funny with them in ecw. All right, so that wraps up our second episode here this week on we discovered January 7, 1997. That was fun. I. I really like that episode much better than the first one we had today.

Yeah, that was a good episode.

You know, basically the whole show was Webster Mass. So it was. That was cool. It's fun to see that building and Raven and Sandman going throughout it. Fun episode overall.

Wiping blood on the walls.

Yeah. You have some freaking secretary walking up the stairs, like, why is that blood in the. On the walls? All right, so anyway, we're gonna take a quick little break before we wrap things up. We'll be right back. All right, we're back now for the extreme ECW live cast wrap up. And we'll be back in two weeks with the next episode. Of ECW hardcore TV. Well, the next two episodes of ECW hardcore TV on the extreme ECW live cast, and we'll be covering hardcore TV episodes 195 and 196, which is January 14th and 21st of 1997. That's what we have coming up now. Like I said before earlier, much earlier, the dates are all kind of fucked up. But we're just gonna stick with the dates that are now what the network has, or what Peacock has. 14, 21st, also on the Internet Archive, it continues that way as well. 14, 21st, 28th, the fourth, and there. I think where all the confusion comes from with these different dates is from the fact that in Philly, ECW Hardcore TV switched days. It was. It was on Tuesdays and now it's on Thursdays at this point in 1997, I think that's right. Or it was Thursdays and now it's now it's Tuesdays. But either way, that's probably what led to the confusion of the dates. Anyway, we're just going to stick with what I said, 14 to 21st, 20th every seven days after that. Trying to go back quick in the calendar and see what actual days those would have been. All right, 1997, January 14th would been a Tuesday night. So now we're going with all Tuesday nights. Anyway, I thought I'd just point that out. Anyway. Yes, we'll be back in two weeks for 14th and 21st of 1997. And then also again, check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast. Our latest episode will be coming out or should be out at this point. We're covering Stunning Steve Austin, November of 93. He picks up after leaving Hollywood Blondes and Brian Pillman and now on Solo with Colonel Rob Parker as his manager. All right, one last time before we head on out of here is where you can reach us. Follows on X Twitter at Extreme Cast. And follow Me, Mike Pruitt, MPRU83. Follow JV at John Van Damage and follow Rick BV at Leo Y85. And also check out Rick on the hybrid wrestling cast and follow the hybrid wrestling cast on X Slash Twitter as well at Hybrid Underscore Cat, Is there anything else before we head on out of here for the night? Hey, we're done before midnight this time.

Yeah, I got nothing.

Me either.

All right. All right, guys. Well, we'll see you in two weeks. So long.

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