It's a new year.

Dave Douglas.

Oh, my God.

I've traveled with this guy. I've trained with them, I've broken bread with them.

And I choked him out.

The final battle between Raven and Tommy Dreamer.

You did your job and ran the fuckers off.

Look at that. From the twisted steel section of Dudleyville.

It's over. It's over. He did it.

Extreme Championship Wrestling has been thrown into disarray. This, my friends, is ECW.

Welcome to the Extreme ECW Livecast. This is episode 94 and we are covering ECW Hardcore TV episode 205 and 206 of Hardcore TV from March 25th and April 1st, 1997. I'm Mike Prue along with JV and Rick Beebe. Dudes, what's up? I know what's up because it's been a long time. We've been talking for a long ass time. But hey, what's up to the audience guys are all up. You don't know what to say.

Well, I was debating on going whoop, whoop, but, you know, I didn't want to piss either of you off.

Hey, do whatever, man.

I wanted to say something. I forgot what it was.

Yeah, that. That's perfect. All right, so yes, we're back here. It's March 25th and April 1st, 1997. You can give us a follow on Twitter X. You know what the. It's at Extreme Cast. Follow me, Mike Pru at NPRUA 3. Follow John Van Damage. That's JV John Van Damage. And follow Rick BB at Leo Y85. And also give JV and I a follow at Bottom Line Wrestling Cast at Bottom Line Cast. The career of Stone Cold Steve Austin. We've been covering that career since 2018. 2018. You believe that? It's been a long time. It's been such a long time. Yeah. Okay. And yeah, follow us on Twitter X at Bottomline Cast. And we're covering Stoning Steve. And you can go through our archives. We've got great episodes covering Stone Cold Steve Austin. And I'd like to say it's the only podcast ever covering the whole career of Stone Cold Stevie Boston. That has been one since we started. That's been one since this and this. Oh, actually there's been a couple that had failed after like two episodes because they suck. So, yeah, there's those. And we're continuing on in those episodes. Are there. So check them out. And we are still going. We keep covering. We've covered the whole run of Hollywood Blondes. Now we're Into Stunning Steve. And it just keeps going. So please give us a follow there at Bottom line cast. Yeah. What's up, guys? You're ready for some ECW TV?

I can't believe we've watched 206 of these things.

Dude, we've watched more than that.

I know.

We watch Pay per views. Well, not even Pay per Views. The Super Card specials. Right?

Right. Probably.

I mean, think so. We've watched 206 episodes. That's a lot of hours. Imagine if we crafted those hours spent watching. Use those hours more efficiently in life.

Oh, jv, don't even get into that right now. Build. Build a backyard woodshed.

We could saw. We could have.

We probably could have a tree house in my backyard.

Could have solved world hunger. Could have a lot of things. A lot of great things. You could have done a lot of things.

Now it'd be more. More like Beavis and Butthead staring at the. The buffering pattern like we were talking about.

Yeah.

Yeah. Is this buffering? All right, I'm gonna wait a whole day here.

Yeah.

But, hey, guys, those of you listening out there, and I know you guys most likely, thanks for listening and not jumping past us. Because of what seemed like buffering at some points, we are now to continue our coverage of ECW Hardcore tv. And we're almost getting there. I say every time. We're almost there. It's almost Barely Legal. And Rick's like, yeah, when the. Is this happening?

Yeah, but.

But it's coming. It's. It's. It's almost here. Yeah, it really is. And we're getting there.

How many more we got? Is that our next recording?

No, we got two more episodes, and then it's barely illegal. All right.

It's not bad.

So we're almost there. We're almost there. So, yeah, we're building up to it. It's great suspense. And things are getting better. If I do have to put into perspective, it is getting better. And we. We saw some great matches. I thought. I thought, you know, we had Taz taking on Spike last week. You know, Taz kicks the. Out of Spike, which is fine. But know what? I did notice Rick, and I'm jb. Jp, Actually, I think you did mention this. We saw a whole lot of Ravi and Damn. And Sabu taking on the Eliminators recently.

Yes.

It was like three weeks in a row.

Yeah, they ran that a lot.

Three weeks in a row. We saw that. With the exception of the Monday Night Raw episode we did. It was Sabu and Rob Van Dam versus the Eliminators until finally you got a good match where it was the Eliminators versus the Dudleys. It was like, oh, okay, fine. This is where they should go.

Yeah. And surprisingly, you would think that the Eliminators and Rob Van Dam and Sabu would they. They'd hang well with each other. And they really haven't.

No, we did. The last one was a good one, though.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do remember that, though. Yep. Like, the one that was in Scran, Pennsylvania, March 1. That was a good one.

Right. But you think that they would. They would, like, mesh better and there'd be a lot of good ones and not just one that we've seen.

Yeah. And I was surprised we saw so many in a row and didn't remember them. But I don't know why I should be surprised with that, because I don't remember, because. Yeah, whatever.

Well, many of us, like, there's a gap between when we're watching.

It's like a month every time we're.

Reading, like, on the Internet, like, oh, this. You know, there's no refreshers.

Right, Exactly.

Right.

All right. So before we get going, though, there is one thing I did want to mention that was a hanging mystery. Looming mystery, if you will, in terms of what I always love to do on this show is try to predict what's going to be our break song, what's going to be our outro song. And there was one song that was really like, what the is this song? And I had to look it up. And JV had told us on the last episode, we're not playing that song. And now I want to play it at some point, but I looked it up and it was John Spence's Blues Explosion and Rick. You know this band?

Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah.

Can we play a song from the band then?

Yeah, we could. We could. We'll see what happens in this episode that we watch if there's better music. Well, this song was John Spencer, Blues Explosion, Whale, W A I L. Not Whale, like Moby Dick, W A I L. But the song that I most recognize them with is from the Scream 2 soundtrack, because I own that. Because I love Scream and all that. And John's Blues, Expensive Explosion. The song was. It Must have Been the Right Time, but I met him at the wrong time. Same type of music. It was like Honky Tongue. But I loved it because it was from Scream. Yeah, from. From Nobody Commenting. Yeah, that exactly explains how shitty that song was.

Justice.

Well, who am I? I'm Mike Pro. I'm not John Bedser. Spencer. Blues Explosion. It could have been the right time, but it must have been the wrong time. I can't do it again. Off. All right, let's get to this episode. Right. All right, so this is March 11th. No, the. That's wrong. What am I looking at here? Look at my old notes. This is March 25th, 1997. ECW. Hardcore TV, episode 205. And if you're watching this on the season five, episode 13. Are you guys all set up on the Internet Archive? Because that's. We're gonna watch it. So if you listen to this, want to watch it along with us? That's where we're checking it out. It's 55 minutes and 28 seconds. And. You guys good?

Yep.

All right, Before I give the countdown, I just wanted to mention that match is going to be from the Waltham Rick. I always have to check myself with you because you're from the Wall.

Yeah, dude, turn in your card.

Hey, you work. You work more northern than me ever.

So did you watch the local news?

Waltham?

Yeah, you. It's just funny to me. Is it, Walton, you're 51 years old. You don't know how to say not.

51.

With that memory.

What do you think I'm biting here? I'm 51 now all of a sudden, because I don't know how to say Waltham or Waltham or Wam.

You had it right the first time.

Welcome.

Not Walt.

Waltham.

Walt. Damn.

Waltham.

All right, that's what. That was, the whole point of this joke. You. All right, we're all watching Magic from Waltham, Massachusetts, in Revere, Massachusetts. This was 3-21-97 and 3-22-1997. And then there's little surprise match from Webster, Massachusetts, from February 14, 1997. And I love Webster, Massachusetts. Rick B. What do you remember about Webster, Massachusetts? I don't put you on the spot, so if you don't remember, just say off. Mike, I don't know what you're talking about.

Well, I'm thinking you're meaning the last time that they were at Webster. Webster Town hall, where Raven.

Yes.

Sandman. Brawled and left blood on the nice wall of the office hallway. Hell, yeah.

That's what I wanted.

I would have never. She would ask me that question. I'd be like.

I know. I know. Rick would know.

Webster Town Hall.

All right, so let's get right into this here. I'll give a countdown three down to one, then say play. When I say play, we all click play. 3, 2, 1, play.

Come on, Gary.

Oh, simple.

There's just two little words you need to know.

Eat my.

Well, there's two big things that I'd like to know.

Hong Kong. Nice model.

This whole thing was that stinking setup.

We definitely did talk about all this. That she's saying already. It's already. Hey, but I'm not one to not repeat jokes. So you get.

Did he say get rid of us Chains, bro. Too many.

Rick Rude.

He's like, how much longer until I can go to a WWF again?

Yeah.

Shane Douglas. You know, the only one who's gonna roll over is Francine. And she ain't going to be playing dead either.

Wow's working stiff tonight.

Yeah. Will you come with me? Francine? Will you come with me? Yeah.

Damn. His character is even better here.

Should be bouncing on that. Rick Rude.

That's.

Are we. Hey, Rick. Are we in ECW right now? Is this ecw?

Yeah.

Say so.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Are we in it?

Yeah.

Or. Or we getting into the fake now because it's WWF related at some point. You know what I mean?

No, I. I think that the ship starts in a little while, but right now we're good. We're in the good times.

What do you mean by fake ship? I don't understand the differentiation.

And just like that, like influenced by wwf being involved with them.

Like the way story lines go.

Yeah, yeah. Or just like how so many WWF fans are now like, oh, yeah, we're part of this. Because they want this pay per view to be so big. Why not? That is something to discuss at some point. Like when was the high point of ecw? Because when we do, we just go week by week so we don't really get to like break down. Like, oh, this was the point where it was the best because.

Right.

We're just watching episodes. There's been a lot of times where I thought things have been great though.

Yeah. There's definitely been a few times that it's like, wow, like this, this is really good. And then it tapers off. But even it tapering off, it's not bad. It's just as good as it was. Yeah. No. And then eventually though, it tapers off and doesn't get back better.

I've brought this up numerous times. We gotta break down the years.

Yeah.

Will see a six man tag team matchup featuring the international stars of pro wrestling.

Oh, look at this match that they're shown. We're going to get this.

Who's that dressed like a ninja?

Great Sasuke.

Yeah, Great Sasuke. Or wwe. I think they call wwf. Become a Great Sasuke. Hey, I didn't know Bubba Ray was the IC title champion. Joke. Bad joke.

How telling is it that this Barely Legal promo is being scored by Bright Shane Douglas's theme song.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys say about that? Rick? Anything more throwing shade at Shane Douglas?

Not throwing shade. I'm. I'm just saying that I feel like. I feel like you got Shane's music playing in the background. It's almost like Paul kind of knew that he was gonna try to push Shane as back to the main event. You know, not so much he doesn't have faith on in Taz and Sabu, but like he knows like I think Shane's gonna be the one that really is the big draw or something. Okay. I mean, maybe that's also me, you know, having 2020 high sight that. Knowing how the rest of the year plays out.

All the way live. All right, let's see. Do we got notes here? I got some notes. I don't want to on notes here, but we can take these breaks here. Paul Heyman has finalized the seven match lineup for Barely Legal. Most of the show has been already announced, but the complete card is just been announced. Oh, the. All right, that. Let's listen to this town.

Tomorrow night we do a repeat of what I've already shown in ECW Arena. Bua you get a chance to redeem yourself, sweetheart. Because you get to walk down the aisle and you get to step into the ring with the franchise. And you get to show the world what you're made of. You get to show the world that you can indeed step toe to toe and fight with the ferocity of a tiger and defeat a franchise. Maybe not. Tommy Dreamer. You get in the way, Francine's liable.

To scratch your eyeballs out.

Out.

Rick Rude. And it is Rick Rude. If you come down that aisle and get anywhere near this piece of precious gold that I have next to me called Francine, I'm gonna take this 16 pounds of gold and make you feel like Richard Gere. And as you go to the hospital and they extricate it from where the sun doesn't shine, you'll be saying to.

Yourself, I should not franchise.

Shitty attempt.

Stay in the dressing room. Keep the Lloyds of London checks coming.

And don't joking scream about which gonna dribble up Richard Gerbil.

That scrawny ravishing ass kid Cash. You know, Beulah may very well have.

A box, but Francine has got A luxury box. And Joe Garner has a fart box.

Everyone who witnessed the first ever mixed tag match of the century saw me.

Expose Francine Silicone Valley for all it's worth.

And in Allentown, if I get the.

Chance, Francis, no lie there.

I'm gonna expose that big, nasty, skanky luxury box. Luxury box. Top of that, I don't know.

But that's not something that would fly on TV nowadays.

Hell no.

I promise I'm gonna go on not really national tv and show a woman's off. Yeah, because that's basically what he just said.

All right, so at this March. Is this March 20th the show? No, not anymore.

Yeah, that one was March 28th.

All right, well, there'll be another commercial and I'll go over the results of that.

On Sunday night, April 13, on Saturday night, April 12, at the Philadelphia Airport Hilton, we will be having.

Philadelphia Airport. Airport Hilton. Sounds so cheap.

It does.

I'm sure this is a nice little ballroom or something. But hey, go to the Airport Hilton. You can fly in.

For 50 bucks.

Yeah.

Could get a ticket to it too.

Yeah.

He looks like a hero tonight.

Tonight, he's the man. He's taking on Axel Ryan. He's gonna up Axel Ryan. What's going on here? Hey, Rick. B.B. what's your thoughts on the Eagles?

I don't hate them. Like, I would.

I love. I love these.

I mean, I. I can appreciate their music and I. I know quite a few of their songs, but I wouldn't say they're like my favorite band. But they're. They're not bad at all. Like, I definitely listen to them.

All right, so Terry Fungus hasn't many matches back. Well, he's had matches like once a month or something.

Right.

So this seems like a warm up match, right? Yeah, he's getting ready for a big match.

Yep. So he's taking on chemistry or something.

Just work some kinks out. Yeah, this is in Waltham. Am I still saying it wrong? Walt Ham. Waltham J. You used to work close to there. So you know better than me. I only drive by those towns. I don't know.

Me too. I've never been. I don't. I don't know why you think like I use and heard that so much. Like that was just. I couldn't. I don't. I've never met anyone that lives.

I'm making up a story here, baby.

Fabric can't be a part of it.

Well, you used the way. I'm not, though. That's my whole point. Where's your Office in Florida or something.

Boston, Frank Andover. Yeah, I literally drove by it.

Yeah, I haven't drive by it, so I don't know when I drive, when.

I drive by it, it didn't like scream its names.

Screaming out, welcome to Waltham.

All right, let's get back to the match because we can go on T shirt there. There's so many towns in this state that we could just be like, why is it called WAAM then? Why is another town called like, W. Yeah, yeah, know. I mean, all.

All towns have different name. Get it?

When the. Does a hand become a hum?

Like, oh.

You got hinges.

Kingdom.

Not. It's not a ham. So.

But I get why it would be a ham. Because a ham is like, meant to be a hamlet, which is a small town.

Right.

And that's why you call it a ham. These towns in Massachusetts. Let's watch wrestling. Oh, Terry Funk wins a match. Terry Funk just won a match. Like, hey, oh, Terry, fox up. Yeah, it wasn't. He was up and he wasn't ready to get up. By the Dudleys.

Now he's hit. Yeah, he was potatoes.

Oh, Brian Lee, come on. Are we done with him?

Apparently not.

Oh, okay.

The odds look a little more even right now.

Just nail the Sandman.

Yeah. Funk just punched Sandman in the face.

Problem. All right, this is. No, these guys get along. So what's going to happen here? Come on.

Sandman just falls ass over Tettle. Yeah, because he's drunk.

No. Well, the dudes that were in the ring, Damon, Terry Funk, they look like they're going to try to work out some deal. It's like, all right, we don't want to hear this. And then you got these come in and just ruin it. Now it becomes a typical ECW Raw again with John Cronus giving kicks. Get the out of here. What is this? Now it's a show instead of telling the story. All right, we get it.

I love.

Yeah, that's a good spot. But we get it now. The Limited are now going against the Dudley's. Can't you just wait until they have the match to show us that or you going to do it right now?

Well, they got to do it now. Fans in the crowd.

Well, come on. But now Raven's up there.

Well, if this is like pre wwe, right, I guess the story will change. Or did we come to the conclusion?

Ah, things are getting shitty. But let's listen to Terry Funk.

Son of a. Son of a Guy. Meaner than a rattlesnake, Tougher than shoe leather. More dangerous than a hollow eyed scorpion. You know, I've said that so many times through the years, you don't know how long it took me to remember that, But I do remember.

Oh, I want that shirt. Living legend.

That I am an old fool. Well, I am an old fool and I love to think like that, but I got to think realities. And what the reality is, is that I want to be the ECW World champion. I want you fans, I want you to be able to stand out there. I want you to be able to come into the ring and say, we did it our way. We did it our way. But I realize that I can't go out there and be given the gift of walking into the ring with Raven for the world championship. I realize that there's a three way dance, a three way dance with Sandman and Stevie Richards. And I realize that this is the biggest thing in their entire life. What do I have to do? I have to go into there with the best of my ability, the best of my knowledge and take it one step at a time. And I hope that God will be behind me and I hope and I pray that I have a little bit of luck on my side. And if I can walk into there and walk out of that three way. Oh, if I get you into the ring, Raven, if I get you into the ring, then I know it's a sure thing. Bet your money on the Funker. Bet it on the Funker on the night of the 13th for the Funke 1st E C W pay per view.

Hell yeah.

That was awesome.

Sell the stickers, man. Sell those pay per views.

That was. That was intense.

That was a great promo. Oh, it's always the wrongs JV that. What were you saying?

That that was fantastic.

Oh, yeah, it's great. Oh, they're selling bill illegal posters.

Can you not hear me?

I can hear you. Hear me.

Supplies are Limited. Only 1000 of these collector's edition posters.

How much you think they were charging for one of those?

I don't know, ten bucks.

Eat it beyond with Stevie Window before Barely illegal. This was a thing.

What do you think they are?

Hello? Jb.

Yeah, How.

How much do Rick you think those were?

Rick, you here? Jv?

No, I didn't hear him. Said. Say something.

Oh, yeah. See how much she.

Oh, I was. Yeah. I had asked how much do you think they were selling those autographed barely legal theater posters for? And I was, I was thinking like they were probably saying they wanted like 20 bucks for it, but I wasn't sure what you guys thought I said 10 bucks.

You guys, guys aren't hearing me.

No, I. I didn't hear you say 10 bucks.

Oh, I. I heard you asking if we heard you. And then I asked Rick if you heard JV asking you about it. He said no, no, I haven't heard anything.

So I just want to make sure. I want to make sure there's nothing wrong with my mic.

Where the are we? Is everybody at the right time stamp? I got Joey Styles on camera.

Yeah.

The three way matchup and defeat his former boss Raven to win the heavyweight title.

Yeah, those. They're probably 1999. Those pulses.

Or that Singapore Kane swung by the Sandman. Remember what happened last week?

Sandman with his is pastel lavender pants.

Damn, man getting up.

He's smoking in a building.

Always this.

I. Well, I know he always is, but like it's a small building too, you know.

Yeah. This is Revere Mass.

This is Rivia.

Yeah, I said it, right?

No, you did.

Hey, look at that broski over there.

Yeah, I saw it.

So you know what I'm talking about right there. Yeah, right there. It's so funny that Rick knows what I'm talking about. Broski right there.

He's. He's. He's wanting to crack a beer over his head too.

Yeah, he wants to be jacked up.

He did. In the parking lot.

Is this. Is this at the Wonderland dog park?

Is probably is because I'm.

I'm remembering we. We saw a match there before and that. That ceiling right there where it's like that.

That's familiar.

Like balcony, but it's like a cutout of the tiles, not an actual balcony. It's weird.

You're probably right.

Collapses.

That would be great. Like just retrospectively. I don't want to go too long because this match is probably not going to be too long.

Yeah.

Imagine ECW video game where they just cut between like having matches at like the Revere Rmir and then eastern of your arena in Florida just like.

That in the WWE game.

That would be cool though. I'll give you that. Did you two ever have them? Yeah. Did you two ever have the displeasure of playing either of the ECW video games they did make?

I think.

I don't think I did. I don't. I maybe played one for like one match or something. I don't remember.

Did you ever play WWF Warzone or WWE Attitude? Yeah, it was the same engine.

All right. Yeah. What ECW Games probably came out 99 or something.

Yeah. 99. 2000.

2000. Yeah. Yeah, I Think I was playing like no mercy at that point.

Yeah. I had both of them on Dreamcast.

And I had Dreamcast.

Yep.

I was one of the only people that I knew that had Dreamcast. Yeah.

I didn't have it.

Dreamcast was a pretty damn good system.

I know. Yeah. The Sonic game was good. Sonic Adventure. Is that what it was?

You know better than me, probably.

Yeah.

Oh, Paul's Molly.

His ass.

This is a good match. Balls and Sandman bouncing around these guys. Look at that. Sandman gets a nice little call out. The former three time champion.

He used to be good.

Now he sucks.

Yeah.

But he won a match.

Used to be a top guy.

Hall love so alive. I'm trying not to be my typical self right now. So. Rick, can you.

Yeah.

Read my mind?

Possibly.

Do it. Oh, okay, fine.

You can do it.

R you. You've got it. Did we hear this song already? That's. That's what I was looking for.

I know.

And the most controversial interview ever with the Dudley Boys tonight on the hardcore Hot.

Most controversial.

Now we're gonna call that here bubble right out.

Yeah.

I wish we would have watched this match. They come on a wanna Leia showing the titties.

For A$50 being handed out the some random hole in the wall.

Yep. Let's hear it. Never before seen. Oh boy.

The world was a different place at that time, gentlemen.

A different time.

Reversal income. There it is.

What?

That was a big one.

Yep.

Dudley's won the titles. Is this when they say the gangsters? Is that what's happening, Rick?

Yeah, I think this is. Now that they're moving. They're moving away from the gangsters because Mustafa got stopped. Mustafa? Yeah, Mustafa like off or something? I don't know because New Jack's still around. But I know one of the the stipulations of ECW getting on pay per view is that New Jack couldn't be on it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah. I mean that's not why the Mustafa left or whatever, but just that, you know, New Jack doesn't show up so he had no chance of getting on Barely legal.

And they are the new ECW World Tag Team Champions.

Valerie and D. Von the Juggling Boy.

People say the first time is the best time. There's nothing like the first time.

We remember our first Cronus wear. Wearing a Beulah T shirt.

Wearing worn out hand me downs shoes.

That's hilarious.

And all the kids laughed at the.

Poor little welfare brats.

We remember the first time the in crowd asked us to hang out. We Told them no because we had karate class. They all laughed at the goofy karate kids.

Remember the first.

First time we told our parents we wanted to be professional wrestlers. And they laughed at the foolish daydreamers. And we remember March 15, the first time we fought Bubba and D. Von Dudley. And on that day, they were better than us. And Joel Gertner stood over our battered, bloody bodies and laughed. We for April 13th, ECW's first pay per view.

Our first pay per view.

The laughing ends. And I'm not even laughing.

Not bad.

Yeah, it wasn't bad.

Oh, that's great. Toss. Okay, he got a luchador mask on, right? All right.

Yep. I thought he had. In comes Grand Hamada. Grand Hamada is a legend. He's. He's Japanese, but he. He made a huge name for himself in Mexico. He's a luchador, essentially, but he's also like a power power guy. You got Grand Naniwa.

It's a foot between the Ey. Elbow drop. There's Terry Boy.

Dick to go. Yeah.

Say Pru's favorite wrestler in this. Dick to go.

So this match is much earlier than all the other stuff we've seen in this episode.

Yeah.

Yeah. What's his name?

Who? Terry Boy or Grand Naniwa?

Terry Boy.

Terry Boy.

Terry Boy is men's tail.

He just likes Terry Funk.

WWF guy.

He might have been in. He might have been in Kay and Thai at some point when they were like a large group, not when it was just Taka and funaki.

Well, JV, you just mentioned something recently about the Kinetai. Shane McMahon. Was Shane McMahon involved in that? I. I didn't hear that. I know Bruce Pritchard was involved in that.

I saw it, like, the voiceover times today. So either it's just a lie or.

What was it? All right. Do you know anything about that?

No, I'm. I was pretty sure I. Bruce Prichard was the guy that. Indeed. Or whatever. But I don't know anything else about Shane McMahon being involved.

Yeah, same with me. I always knew Bruce Pritchard was being.

Indeed smacked the out of him.

But the first. The first person that did any mention on the whole gimmick, it was a different voiceover, so that might have been changed. I don't know.

Oh.

But jv, where'd you hear that? From.

The Internet, a couple wrestling sites. I followed it, posted.

Oh, okay.

It's, like, popular today.

Oh, that's probably true.

Up and over with the Pescano.

What can you add to this match? Anything.

Well, this.

I mean, this is a good match, obviously.

Yes.

It's building up to the pay per view.

Yeah, they're gonna. They're gonna do basically the same match minus grand. Naniwa is injured at some point, so he gets switched out for a guy. I can't remember his name. He looks like a Power Ranger. But the. The style of this match, or Michinoku Pro, is called Lucha resu. And it's a combination of, like, lucha libre and puro resu, which is the Japanese pro wrestling, which is why you see, like, lucha stuff. But it's also more. I don't want to say normal, but like what you traditionally think of as pro wrestling, it's like a good mixture of it. So it's probably something that most of. Most of the crowd that's in the building right there wouldn't have seen. So it looks cool, but at the same time, it's, like, jarring because it's not the style you're used to seeing, like, all these real quick movements and, you know, like, transitions. It's not slow and plotting like wrestling we would have seen in 1997.

Oh, good. Assassin.

It's what's.

What sucks about it, though, is we saw this arena already and.

Yeah.

And they're basically setting this up as. Oh, well, you already saw what you need to see. But this is what you might need to see in a couple weeks for the pay per view. Something. I don't like this. I'm just gonna shut it off. Yeah. Especially if you're staying up to 12:30, probably falling asleep anyway.

Yep.

Luckily, you might have your videotape recording, like, all right, I'll watch this in the morning.

With a bowl of Captain Crunch.

You know, I did get my girls into Captain Crunch.

Did you?

Yeah. I was surprised.

Sadly, my. My kid does not eat cereal much of at all. I'm like, really? I ate so much cereal when I was a kid.

Oh, same here. Cereal.

Yeah.

How much variety?

My girls love Captain Not. Well, before Captain Garden, they loved just Cheerios and cornflakes. And then I started to try to mix things in so they like Fruity Pebbles. Put that in there. I was like, oh, I saw Captain Crunch. Saw Captain Crunch. But I was like, oh, they might not like Captain Crunch. I gotta get the berries. So Captain Crunch of berries. And they liked it. They didn't like the berries.

Huh.

So then they. Can we get just Captain Crunch?

That's how I am. I can relate.

So, yeah, that's what I like.

You don't like the crunch?

I don't like the berries, they take up too much.

Too much bite in the berries.

Like, I'm, I'm the same. I don't like the berries.

Yeah. I was like, wow, you're just like me. You just want the crunch. So I got the crunch, then they had the crunch, then they missed the berries. Oh, and now they want the berries all the time. Or with the crunch. Can't figure out these girls. No, just like I can't figure out these Boston Crabs and Colonel, like, they're doing Colonel Crunches. What's going on in this match here? It's a great match. What's the name? Great Sasuke. Great Sasuke. Great Sasuke. Because Joey Styles can't figure it out.

Sasuke.

Yeah, Sasuke.

Sasuke.

What would you say if you had to spell it out?

Well, I know how to spell it.

But yeah, no, if you had to sound it out.

Oh, sound it out. Okay. Well, the way I used to say it before, I. Yeah, Suzuki.

Yeah, right. Because that's how American kids would say Japanese names, right? Yep. Suzuki.

Great Suzuki.

That sounds good. Which is not good grammar right there.

Right. It's just not, not correct.

This referee needs to get some control here.

He also needs a better haircut.

Oh, I, I, I can agree and I can relate because that a hiccup turn buckle Summer PR needs the summer haircut.

I mean, I cannot express to you the shame involved in having that mask ripped off your head.

Joey Styles, you don't know about getting a mask ripped off your head, so shut up. You have that.

Yeah, I did. I can't stress how disrespectful it is to rip somebody's mask off. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you don't. You have no clue.

The out of here, Joey. You know, sometimes it's that they give us these great matches at the end of an episode.

Hey.

All right. Listen to our forever. I will just lull you to sleep with a great match.

Exactly.

What was that? Jv?

This is tough for me watching this.

Yeah.

It'S a good match, but what.

Purpose does it serve?

They're trying to introduce the audience, I guess, but look at the audience. Are they introduced?

Okay, that was like every organization in 90s trying to do it. Let's tap into the Asian. Yeah, it's some Asians. And on the in the matches. Oh, that's Taka Michinoku.

Yeah. Taco Mitchell's man.

That's not his name though, Right?

Here it is.

Oh, it is.

Yeah.

The hell's Johnny?

Who's Johnny? There is a Johnny. This is Men's tail right here though, right, Terry Boy? Yeah. Joey Styles. I forget his name. Yeah, we do. It's man's tail and it becomes Terry Boy, right?

Yep.

But he's man's tail in Kyantai, right?

Indeed, indeed.

Indeed.

Hickam. Rockarotu.

Got the pin places right across the eyes.

Hey, Shredder, calm down.

Yeah. Now he says Sasuke.

Yeah. See, I told you, man. That's why I asked you about your way you phrase it.

That's from the clip.

Great. Sasuke doesn't know how to wear great socks at all. No, the socks from Walmart.

Guy dressed like a ninja.

Yep.

Isn't this Nezzer Stocks?

Isn't that Michael Jackson's fit?

No, he had the, like the short pants so you could see his socks. Ah.

Gotta be a pinfall. Oh, win stale. A Shock Boy over here.

Oh, right on his head. He does kind of look like Shark Boy.

He does, right?

Yeah.

Men's tail dominating. Why is Manteo dressed up like Lex Luga?

Sounds like the same Monteo.

That. That's a very good point, Pru. He basically is dressed like Lex luggage.

The a trifecta of forearms. Front kick right to the solar plexus.

This guy. Slam him. One, two, three. Come on, Taco. Oh, Taco is gonna get the binfall right here. Oh, Taco GRA Sa A. No. That was lame. That was a lame setup. Hand and switch. All right, There we go. Let me jerky off for a second. Oh, I kicked your arm. Oh. M. Driver. There we go. El. Great move. I love it. People need to do that more. What? You should. No, you need. You need to lose now. Sasuke gonna get the win on this. Getting too, too easy. Hey, you might need to look more into this as we go on with these guys. But the Michinoku driver wasn't that great. Sasuke's like, finishing move before Dr. Michiroku. That.

I'm not sure I know this. There's two Michinoku drivers. I know that.

Yeah. And I think the great Sasuke was the original guy that did it.

Yeah.

And then Taka took it over and it became like his move.

Yes.

And now they're wrestling with each other.

Well, one of the things I do know and just in general.

And they had a great match at Canadian Stampede.

Yeah.

In the house.

And then I after at raw.

Yep.

One of the things that I do know about Japanese wrestling is that the. The Taka part it. Because it's all in caps. That makes him a heel. I don't know why? But that makes him a heel.

Wow.

I never knew that.

Yep. So when it's cat, all capitals T, A K, A, that means he's the. The heel. Yeah. But, yeah, I'll look into it in terms of what was great. Sasuke's finisher. And if it was a Michinoku driver, and then Taka took. Took it.

Yeah. How much was this poster? What the. Is it. No price.

Yeah, that's, what, 22 by 35? So it's not quite 2ft by not quite 4, 3ft.

I'm gonna put down my locker. Get the out of here.

Y.

All right. So no music came up, right? Love so Live. Wait, is that a song? We do that, right? Love so love.

Yeah.

What is that?

We can do this one.

Iggy and the Stooges.

Oh, there we go. That's a good one. Yeah. Here I am running again. Something like that, right?

Yeah, something like that. I got a lust for life.

Just that random there.

This is your chance to own a piece of extreme history. It's the official collective edition.

He's not wrong with that. That is a piece of extreme history T shirt.

Yes, it is.

Color printed on both sides. Operators are standing.

Love so Live.

Take your order. This T shirt is so extreme, it's barely legal.

Shut up, Joan. It sucked. All right, I want to. I have all these notes. I take all this time to get this. It's, like, pointless. Sometimes we have time. Let me go through. Sabo's ankle and tailbone are said to be hurting from recent table spots.

Okay.

Yeah, you, Sabo. You always get hurt, you piece of. I didn't have to read any stupid magazines to figure that out. Wasting my time.

Nevertheless, we had a matchup this past weekend in Boston.

Tracy's mother and little Guido in Boston.

We could not bring you this story. We cannot watch the story unfold with you because On Sunday night, April 13, the entire world is waiting, right? For the human highlight reel of professional wrestling. Sabu to collide with his former tag team partner. And they were the champs, the human Suplex Machine tech. You want to know who can't wait? Besides me, besides you, besides all the fans. How about Sapphire would pass that music can mean only one thing.

It sounds like a different version of War Machine pr.

Yeah, it does sound like crapola.

Do you know what? You know what band this is?

It's supposed to be Kiss, but, you know. Oh, that's not it.

No, it's like an instrumental version.

Yeah. Why is it on this, though? Like, what the thought this is going to Be in the next episode.

Yeah.

Oh.

We'Re not waiting.

Hey, look at all this guys. We, we've seen this feud built up and this is about to go off air. Jv Taz versus Sabu. What do you want, blood? What do you want to kick ass?

Yeah.

It's violent.

No. Who do you want to.

Who do I want to win?

Yeah, Tess. All right, let's listen to this promo.

I got you so pent up. I got you so hot. I got you. So you're calling me out now and I love it. I love it. I could taste April 13, Sabu. I could taste you. I could taste your blood and your stinky, sweaty, scarred up body. See Sabu, I am your limitations. You could beat man after man after.

Man.

But on the 13th, you can't beat me, Sabu. You can't hurt me. You can't touch me. I could taste you, Sabu. I could taste you. Back in the day, you beat the Tasmaniac with no problem. I was the underdog, Sabu. The Taz Maniac was the underdog. But it's amazing, full circle. Look who the underdog is now. Look who the underdog is, Saboo. Cause if you don't think it's you, you're a bigger schmuck than I thought you were. Saboo. I can taste you. April 13, Barely legal, pay per view. I'm not the underdog no more. I am your limitation Cebu. I swear to you. And as God is my witness, you better prepare yourself. I am training my ass off. You better be Sabu. Because if you don't come prepared, I'll probably kill you. I'm not the underdog no more. Sabu, I can taste you. I'm not the underdog no more. You are the underdog. You are gonna be eaten up at will, at ease by me. Look in my eyes, Sabu.

You.

Are the underdog. April 13. Say goodbye to the legend, Sabu. I'm going to kill him.

That's exactly what I want.

Holy. What you guys think that was good?

That was a great promo. I think the episode was kind of.

The kind of shitty kind of.

Yeah, yeah, I'll agree. The episode wasn't great. The the end promo was. Was really good.

Yeah.

Great ending.

Yeah, I think the ending is help bring it up to what's about to come, which is the big pay per view and I think that they are wrapping up house shows and mm, you know we got a bunch of shows from Massachusetts like that's not ECW spot. They threw in some matches from there, some promos. And then now we're gonna move on to April and we're building up to that pay per view and it's gonna be three big matches coming up. We got the Gangsters, the Eliminators taking on the Dudleys, Raven and Team Douglas versus Tommy Dream and Terry Funk. Sabu versus Luis Macaulay. So this next episode is probably gonna change our minds a lot on where things are going with ecw. So you guys ready for a little break? Yes.

Yeah.

All right, so take a listen to this song. It's love so live what the name of it is. Rick, you know the name of the song. We don't know the name. Song for life, Lustful Life, Love so live whatever the lust. You guys got it. Take a listen. We'll be right back.

I've got the Dungeon Master's guide I've got a 12 sided die I've got Kitty Pride and Nightcrawler too Waiting there for me yes, I do, I do I've got posters on the wall.

My.

Favorite Ron Cru kiss I've got it's freely I got a crisp waiting there for me As I do.

I do.

In the rise I feel safe no one cares about my way in the CR Where I belong no one hears me sing this song in the.

I.

Got electric guitar I play my stupid songs I write these stupid words and I love everyone waiting there for me Me, yes I do.

I do love.

God I feel safe no one cares about my w. In the right where I belong no one gives me safe there's song in the br. In the cl I feel safe no one cares about my wish in the FL Where I belong no one in this song in the CR I feel safe no one claps up out of my way it's in the cry where I belong no one hears me no one hears me no one hears me no one one.

All right, we're back now for the next episode of EC hardcore TV. And we are covering ECW hardcore TV episode 206 from April 1st, 1997. And if you're watching this on the it's season five, episode 14 and we are watching this on the Internet Archive. So please find it there if you want to watch exactly along with us. And if not, whatever, just listen to us. And we got a run time of about 55 minutes and 34 seconds. If you are checking out this Internet Archive episode and we're gonna get right into it, matches here are from the Monica Monaka. Hey, here we go again. I don't Know what the, the name of these towns are. But Rick, what do you think?

I'm. I'm gonna sit looking at it. I'm gonna say Monaka.

Monaka. Monica. It's not Monica, right?

The mouth.

Banaka. Yeah.

Banaka. Yeah. Banaka. Yeah. It's not. It's not Denzel Washington. Monaca.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And this is Monica Monaca. This is a western. No, like, not Western, but this is more like Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Right, I think.

Yeah, yeah. The west side of Pennsylvania.

Yeah. I think this show was run by Shane Douglas. I think he was involved in doing the, the booking of this show and paying off the people actually throw it up.

So, Yeah, I think you're correct.

And this would happen sometimes with ECW is that Paulie would let certain people run certain areas. And in this case, seemingly it was like Shane Douglas did this area, Taz did some areas, Tommy Dreamer, and then even Chris Candido did some New Jersey areas.

Yep.

But that, that seems like a recipe for disaster. Right? Like, you have talent that are, like, trying to put themselves over and they're in these positions now. They're running the show.

Yeah, that sounds bad. Like a. Like you say, a recipe for disaster.

Hopefully it's a good show. But here we go. Like I said, Got 55 minutes and 34 second run time. I'll give a countdown. Three down to one. Like I always do. Make sure I'm all set up here. I'm always the last one to get it set up because I'm worried about everybody else. But, you know, the countdown. Three down to one, and then I'll say play after one. Three, two, one, play.

Douglas trying to tear the mask off of Rick Rude.

Oh, it's Rick Rude. You know, I love mass gimmicks, but that mass gimmick is so lame.

Yeah.

We know it's recruit like, okay, fine.

Yeah. Traditionally, the, the, you know, guy under a mask that everybody in the place knows is such and such.

Oh, we know it's Dusty Rhodes.

Yeah. Or we know it's Junkyard Dog. That works when the, the good guy loses a match where he, you know, loser leaves town for 90 days. And then of course, the guy comes back in a mask and everybody knows it's him. You know, but the, the president or commissioner was like, well, we need to be fair. You know, that works that to have this. It's. It's not the same thing. Like, Rick Rude wasn't here and got, you know, lost a match to Shane Douglas and he came back under A mask. It's just he's here to up Shane Douglas's life. Essentially.

He just popped up in a mask.

Yeah.

History. Saturday night, April 12, at the Philadelphia airport.

Lifetime achievement tonight.

There we go again.

I wonder what they had for dinner.

What do you think?

Philadelphia Airport Hilton. I was just gonna say, what do you think, Davy?

Book the dinner.

It's cheap. It's like meatballs and pasta. Like a meatball.

The kind of money.

Yeah, no, ain't getting a steak.

Yeah. For 50 bucks ahead.

Yeah, I bet you're right, man. What about, like, spaghetti dinner? Nah, dude, Terry Frog gonna get some spare ribs, right? Like, he might not everyone else smash. He's probably.

You asked what. What he's eating is probably not what they're eating. Like, if they sold 100 tickets, it's a meatball dinner. Dinner. Or it's a.

Like.

Like meat.

Oh, dude, that's a good man. Come on, Terry Funkin. No, he's not paying any money. No, he don't give a. Open bar.

Do I think it's open bar? No. For him, yes. For the crowd, no. For attendees.

No.

They're probably making his ass pay too.

Now, Terry, we're gonna. We're gonna do a lifetime achievement award for you, but we need $50. What? We need $50 for you to even be there.

Yeah, you pay now.

I'm so sick of getting yelled at by Joey Styles. Now I want to hear Raven in a bathroom. So let's play out.

I know you want to tear me apart.

I was like a guyliner on. Come on, man.

There are things inside me without remorse, you know?

Just talk. All right.

Yeah, go ahead, jv.

So I think I figured out Raven and the Ultimate Warrior are the same person, just different. Different emotions and cadence. Because they both talk absolute nonsense. If. If you had Raven Reed ultimate warriors promos and Raven's voice, they probably sound like a Raven. If you had. Did vice versa, you had Warrior speak in Raven's promos as Warrior, they would sound like Warrior promos.

Oh, that's great.

Did we figure that out? I think we just.

Can we, like, get somebody to do audio and video for us?

Where's Joe Morata when you need him to do. To do that?

AI I. I might have to send this clip to Joe Morata and see what he can do for us.

We need. We need an Ultimate Warrior promo done in Raven's voice.

Oh, we can have listeners, like, ask Joe for that, please. Yeah, so I have to pay for it.

Cheap. I know it's gonna be the Same. I don't need any conviction.

That's great, man. That's.

You'll never get a shot of me, jv.

You could figure out how to do that.

Yeah, but I don't wanna. I got time for that. I'm playing Elden Ring right now.

Yeah, Ellen Elden Ring.

About a man walking in the desert and God says to him, I'll always be by your side.

And Raven's still talking. Let's listen.

And gets weaker and weaker. And finally when he thinks he's at his lowest point, he notices like when.

He thinks he's at his lowest point, he notices like totally.

I was just thinking the exact same.

Who makes it through this desert in the power. Sorry.

You're screaming in your house right now. It's 12:40 in the morning.

Yeah, that's what happens when my kids yell at stuff. 6:30 in the morning. I say off. I'm the one carrying myself and sleeping.

You don't wake me up.

I wake myself up.

I took what you said into a promote.

Before I take that away from you. At some point in the match, you're going to realize this yourself.

This is a meta promo, right?

You can't defeat me. And that all is is me.

This the best Raven promo ever.

Torturing you, humiliating you. And at some point as you lay there beating.

Hey, Raven, why don't you just shut up and masturbate in the corner?

You and praying for divine and intervention to end your miserable.

What is he in?

What kind of room is he in? A bathroom plus a sauna. Like what? You guys see what I'm seeing?

Yeah, that's like a public bathroom.

And then when he walks to the right, it's like a wood room. A sauna?

Yeah, it's like the YMCA or something.

Is this where BU gets every night? Like, is this her stage?

Her stage?

If so, I want to be there. I'm not against it. What about me? What about my. You talking about?

Bru's over there starting to cut in. Ultimate Warrior promo in the Provo.

Would that I would be a failure like him.

So, Terry Funk, when I end your quest for the Holy Grail, what's up.

By Raven's girl haircut too?

Karen?

Yeah.

Boy.

He'S got his tongue pierced.

He's eyelash guy from the Lost Legends. I again, I heard my father.

Dude, his promo. This is way too long, dude.

Way long, man. What the. He's.

He's rambling. They have to be making fun of him.

And like just keep.

Let him talk. And look how horrible this is. This is the best we got.

Well, not only that, but Paul Heymon was editing this. Cut this down.

This is the first promo of the show. We got matches to go. I'm about to go to bed, man. Like, come on.

They can't ask him to do more than one take.

Yeah, I don't even care.

Yeah, no, you don't care. He's talking nonsense.

Yeah, I guess Forgotten and absorbed to the earth below the world title.

He's not saying anything.

No, he's.

He's.

This sucks.

It's like this sucks. Can we get a this sucks dick chat right time? This sucks dick. Please. One time. Nobody. I just wanted someone to say same thing. Love so live. Whatever the do. So this song stick goes along with the same song. This song stick so extreme.

It's barely.

That barely sucks. Oh, a new song. Ah, of course. It's got to be a stupid crap ass song.

It's like sca.

Yeah, a SCA band that loses.

Or listening to Big D in the kids table. Yeah, less than Jake.

Less than. Who cares about Scott Hall? Oh, is Missy Height Jr. And Jim Ross just hear that rumor? What? General Ross?

Missy Hyatt after his wife died too, like recently.

Who did?

Jim Ross.

Good old Junior.

Good old Junior.

He. Him and Missy Hyatt rocked each other's worlds.

Someone had sex with him.

Someone. Someone. That's great.

He's old, dude.

Yeah, no, man. So is she. Yeah, I guess. She's still Big titties, man.

I take that back. What I say about. Jr's in his 70s. For some reason I thought he was older.

Good for him. Yeah.

Yeah, in the 70s.

It's the.

The people in the 90s. Still, he can.

He can use.

Who knows? In your seventies you get your. I don't know.

He uses the. Yeah, he uses the. The dong.

Huh? Yeah.

On his show. Apparently he would chill for. For the one of those products and talk about. I had some action this weekend. Turns out it was Missy Hyatt.

Yeah, it was the. A typical dick pills thing.

Yeah, exactly.

I feel like this Missy High. It's a good poll for Jim Ross right now.

Yeah, he hit it.

She's 60.

Yeah. The walking Riot. Missy Hyatt.

Walking Riot. Did you come up with that?

No, that's what. That's what they used to call her.

Oh really?

I forget if it was in World Class or UWF or whatever, but I've heard her introduce herself as the Walking Riot. Missy Hyatt.

She should have been the manager of Demolition.

Yeah, no kidding. More so than Mr. Fuji.

Disasters. Suck off your bastards. All right, sorry.

Missy was very, very briefly in wwf. I don't know.

Yeah, she got canned.

Yeah. I don't know if it was at the same time that Demolition were in need of a manager, but. But, yeah, that. That could have worked. Although imagine. Imagine her if they were able to do, like, Francine going with the pit bulls wearing, like, the tight, you know, leather outfits in, like, 1988.

Oh, geez. Missy would have been good in attitude era coming in.

Oh, yeah, I agree.

Like, why not get that piece of ass in there?

Yeah, yeah.

This would never do it, though.

She would have been, like, 40. I mean, she wouldn't have been that old.

Yeah. Vince was like, I'm done with her.

Yeah, she's too Southern.

All right, we got the champ in the ring.

Woman's back.

We got some offspring. A woman's back. Woman is our champ. Yes. She needs to be on the championship. Championship line of champs.

So, as Joey said, this is the Golden Dome in Monaca, Pennsylvania.

Monaka. Okay.

Yeah.

What would it say, Monica?

Yeah.

You said Monaka.

I think. I think I did, but it's.

Nah, I don't think so. We'll see. Yeah, Monica.

Monica.

No, no, I said Monica.

Yeah, you said Monica.

Whatever the.

Oh, hello.

Oh. Oh, you want the same outfit as last time.

She's beautiful.

Shut up. Joey Styles, get up. I love how Joey Styles acts. Like, oh, I don't want to bang that. Oh, she's so hot. I want to stick my dick in her. Like, come on, Joey. Yeah, come on, man. Stop being this dweeb nemesis afraid to get your face slapped by Shane Douglas. Guy who couldn't even want a TV title. Sorry, let me just throw that out there. That's a deep dig right there, Rick. You have to look back a bit.

Yeah.

All right, this row. Here we go. Never mind. All right. Oh, I got all these notes.

What song is this song?

Sucks.

Yeah, no, I know it does, but this was like, what song?

Oh, oh, this is the Rob. No, this is Rob Zombie, who played this on last episode.

Did we? Oh, yeah. Okay.

This is a remix of. Well, Human and Human.

Ah, yes. Okay.

Well, let's try to dive into the notes real quick if we can. It's a lot. No time. All right, this is a good match, though. Shane Douglas tying up with Terry Funk.

Douglas back into the corner.

More human than human.

There's a shot to the ribs. Douglas now back into the ropes. Irish whip. And there's a shot right back elbow to the top of the head and Funk wants it. Raven.

Cool. I love the.

I love the gloves.

They're classy.

That Raven promo was brutal.

Yeah, it was. You make sure you play it, though.

Choice.

We laid out for it part of the show. Wow. Drop toe. You see that Tommy?

Yeah.

Referee acting like he's a wrestler.

Just learn that fundamentals.

Oh, what a spit bomb. What a. Cuz he's not tagged in now he's in the ring. What the.

Franchise. And Douglas is smiling like he's not going to pay for it.

I love when tags means in ecw. That was always my grip in wrestling. It's like, oh, we used to care about tag teams. We used to care about tagging in and that became nothing.

Yeah, you get back tags and all that.

Back tags. Don't matter who's in the ring.

Hit the guy's hand. Yep, that's what a tag is.

Can we just like, pretend like we're following the rules? Looking fine at this point because we're looking retrospectively. I don't know.

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, at the time that. Go ahead.

If wrestling is going to continue on, can't wrestling fans from now on learn a certain way? Like these are the rules. Especially now that they're making money and everything's big again. Like, just go back to the normal rules.

The more strict rules. It limits their creativity.

Yeah.

Harder for them to write.

Oh, it's wrestling, though. You can always, like, make different rules for a match.

Fire.

It's. You're right, jb. It doesn't matter. It's wrestling.

It's.

Who cares about the rules, right? It's tv. It's fun.

You got shot in the chest.

You should die, Right? You should have died, right?

No, he survived.

Be back in two episodes, Right, Exactly.

Imagine having that same train of thoughts. One of the csis.

Tommy blocks it. Oh, yeah, I love that. Tommy blocks it with a little leg sweep.

Oh, Hit my right.

Imagine that video game. You go red leg sweep. Boom. Blocks his. How does that block a suplex? Little right, little corner kick. This guy's got full momentum, lifting your whole abdomen up. And you're gonna like, kick him in the shin and he's gonna fall down. Oh, I can't do it because you kicked me in the shin. Here we go. This is what I want to see. Some Jane Douglas and Terry Funk. Moscato. What is that? Piece of bread?

I thought he said moscato. Like wine?

Yeah, Moscato Brisco. We got red wine here.

Means the full blooded Italians must be around.

Oh, I Think they're coming. Oh, I'm coming.

Fuel is not even on screen.

Oh, thanks. I don't need to. Where she coming?

Oh, this is a mess.

What the. Use my sign. Look at that. Use my sign.

Yeah.

Nerds. Big time nerds at this point. What is that? They got mats. What? What?

And the champions are in trouble.

This. Does Tommy Dreamer ever take your shirt off at this point?

No.

Yeah, he's done, right?

Yep.

Sleep these days.

I mean, unless. Unless I'm forgetting some point where his shirt gets ripped off or, you know, gets slightly ripped and then he ends up ripping it off.

Yeah, I know that might not make sense to many people, but I have an issue with wrestles not taking shirts off. I shouldn't because I'm no guy at this point in time to worry about taking shirts off.

Right.

I see your point.

Yeah.

They're like, supposed to be professionals and.

Right, right. I don't know. There's like, I've always been of. The point is you're a wrestler. Take your shirt off. If I go to a beach, I'm still taking my shirt off. If I go to a pool, I'm taking my shirt off. Take your shirt off. Shane Douglas will always take his shirt off.

Soprano.

Yeah.

It's like, why doesn't Tommy Jr take his shirt?

I don't know. He has a problem with it.

I mean, he has. Doesn't either.

No.

I mean, he's in good enough shape where, like, he shouldn't give a.

With Raven. I don't see it. I feel like I understand Raven's problem. Problem. Raven is trying to like, promote, like, his gimmick on the shirts.

Yeah, that's different.

Yeah. Yeah.

That makes sense.

Francine is just trying to hide those big ass nice titties. That's a different thing, but. Sorry.

As little as possible.

Back steps of the building.

Well, Tommy, I think we all know that he's insecure. I think he used to be finished. All right. Talking over some good here. Actually, no, it's not good because Brian Lee's up. Tommy dreaming. But good match in the ring here. The. Is that. What is these random boxes?

I don't know, man. They find the most random.

You guys seeing what I'm seeing at the same time?

What? What do you see?

Well, I just saw with a trash.

Can, Brian Lee throw some. Are those trash cans? Is that what.

Yeah, trash cans.

Okay.

They're like. They're like smaller rubber mates.

Tiny ass. Yeah. Okay, now they're bouncing all the arena. Okay. Hey. What a battle. It is. Paulie Dangerously is out there. I saw him pop his head in. I don't know if you saw that, Rick.

No, I missed it.

Oh, no, that's a fake, Paulie. But yeah, this a hell of a match. Oh, BWO is coming.

Yeah. This has got dubbed music though.

Yeah. Crap.

Yeah.

All right, Stevie comes in.

The guard rail.

All right, so Sandman's entering hit cv. It's Funka the Did some beer. It's got a mullet.

You imagine what's gonna happen next week when the Sandman.

Terry.

He just looks super drunk when he does that.

Oh, that he is.

I know, but I'm just saying, like, I don't know. For some reason he just looked super drunk when he did that.

Because he is.

Yeah.

Stevie Rich. Oh, I love Stevie versus Raven. This is. This needs to be a match that should have been a match on the pay per view. Oh, Shane Douglas got Terry Funk. Terry Funk counters. It's the D D on Douglas boat. Now we got Francine. I'm fine with that. Come on in, Pula Fr. I'm going to lay out right now and just sit here. Rick, give a commentary here.

We got a belly to belly.

That's his finisher.

What the. What?

You didn't think he was gonna win?

Ah, wow.

You didn't really blink that.

Gotta keep it. Gotta keep him separated. So that match took up like half the show. Now we got Dudley Boys versus the Gangsters versus the Eliminators coming up. What the.

All right, well, while we got this going on, I just found something in the notes related to New Jack. There was another incident with New Jack backstage at the arena. New Jack was on the balcony with someone who was apparently either a promoter or booker for Soul City Wrestling, a local indie that uses mainly African American wrestlers. Next thing you know, New Jack's appearing to try to throw the guy off the balcony. The guy escaped, runs down the stairs, tries to run away. New Jack dives off the balcony on top of him and kind of bulldogs the dude gets a couple of punches in before the guy manages to escape again and take off. And it says, apparently Sabu saved the guy's life because one of the wrestlers had seen New Jack fighting the guy and was about to join the fray with 10 other guys.

Damn.

Yep. So that would also explain another reason why New Jack wasn't around. Because he's doing stupid like that.

He always does stupid and gets fired.

Right? He's like Marty Janetti. But yeah, yeah.

Do we know this song, Rick?

Yeah, it's Possum Kingdom.

Oh, we already did it. Right?

She is hardcore.

Guitar Hero song.

Yeah.

Yes. Look at these guys as champs, though. I like it.

Yeah, they look. They look good with the belts.

Lovely. Death Drop. He's all done with the duck though, right?

Yeah, but I still like doing it.

I love that.

Challengers. Former champions. Saturn. The Eliminators. The former champions, the Gangsters.

Lemonades versus Dudleys. Here we go again. Here we go. Hot.

Yeah. This time the Eliminators are in there. St Patrick's Day finest.

Looking to get lucky.

Yeah.

Spinning Bad. Kick on Devon. The Champions collide. Set to come out any second now. Incoming.

Just totally clipped whatever commercial that was.

Yeah.

What the was that?

Yeah. I'm glad they're here.

Here comes the Gangsters. It Gaga.

I'd be going nuts at a live show doing this.

I call you Dada.

They're here.

Six was it? Six million ways to murder. Choose one. All right.

Golden Dome Power Slam by Crony.

I just want to mention, you know, because of, you know, all the Dr. Death Steve Williams hate, you know, that I've put out there, he has been fired and will never show up in ECW again. So doctor that Steve Williams.

What did he do? I know this. I just forgot.

Oh, he. He sucks. It wasn't out, but I didn't add it. But I just know he got fired and said he was never coming back to ECW again. So I just wanted to include that Dr. De Steve Williams. And then he went on to WWF.

And he turned the fighting thing. Yeah.

The brawl for all. Yeah. Jim Ross was a big proponent of that and many other people are. I don't know.

Or Alabama.

And then he failed at that too. So. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, my God. I did want to look at some of the results, though. I didn't. Sabo's ankle and tailbone are said to be hurting from a series of recent table spots. There was another incident with New Jack backstage at the arena. New Jack was on the balcony with someone who was apparently either a promoter or booker for Soul City Wrestling, a local indie that uses mainly African American wrestlers. Next thing anyone knows. Oh, you already said that.

Yep.

Oops.

It's okay. And noted that also it says that the pay per view for the arena is. Isn't sold out, which is quite a contrast to Nitro the next night at the Spectrum, which already had 9,000 tickets in sales. Some people, I guess, complained because the ticket prices were higher than average. 40. 40 bucks general admission. And also, oddly enough, thus, many of the suburban cable systems in the Philadelphia area aren't carrying the show because they're not affiliated with the company that's carrying it. Which you would think would make it so that people would wanna go to the show live, you know, but.

Yeah.

You just missed Sign Guy busting a glass frame over the back of Saturn's head.

I miss Sign Guy?

Yeah. He just cracked Saturn pane of glass.

That was hardcore.

That was the.

Is that three count? Oh my God.

Oh, my God. This is your chance to own a piece of extreme history.

Extreme history.

Extreme crap. Yeah, we should have went over that during this segment, the break. Anything else in those notes worthwhile? No, actually I do have a question because. Yeah, I did post some stuff. There's a lot of speculation of Rob Van Dam going to wcw. He does not go to wcw. So what the that all about?

Well, I think there was some, some rumblings from. Whether it was from Van Damme or whatever about he's being a. Yeah, he's. He's trying.

I think he's just trying to trick people.

Yeah, yeah, he's trying to get it so that. Either because he wasn't gonna be on the pay per view at first, so he starts, you know, going, hey, how much would WCW pay me? Trying to get his, his stock up there. So that either he'll, you know, WCW will say, oh, we'll pay you 750 grand a year or whatever so that he can then see if Paul will give him a raise or he might be able to get a job in wwf. So he's kind of, you know, testing the world.

Yeah, right. What I think happened was he was testing out Waters because Paul said, oh, anybody wants to go to wcw wf, let me know. Let me know right now. And then he's known to be insane. Yeah, I might. I got a deal. I may go with WCW. And because Vince McMahon at this point, he's working with ECW, he's working with Paul, he doesn't want any of those big stars going to wcw. So when he, When Paul Hamian finds out that maybe RVD is going to. He talked RVD into a deal where it says, hey, stick with us. We'll get you involved in a WWF situation so that you're on tv, but you don't have to leave and this will help you out. And that's what Jerry Law and RVD Dilles.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

So he wanted to leave, but Paul talked him into doing that.

Totally.

And now we got Chris Candido.

My intellect.

I love Chris Candido.

He's like that annoying little dog.

Yeah.

The cartoon, the big dog.

Oh, it's like Scooby Doo and Scrappy Dappy Do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

At least that's what I remember as a kid. But there's other versions of that, I think. Shut up. You haven't been at WrestleMania. Oh, you've been at. Was he at WrestleMania 11?

Sounds about right. Yeah, it's Connecticut. Unless he was at WrestleMania 10, which is in New York.

No, he wasn't at 10.

Yeah.

Maybe he was either at 11 or 12. He was at one of those.

Well, he's at 12 as one of the body dawns. If that's what you were thinking, then that's it. Okay.

Now we got Sabu in Lou. Again. We've seen a lot of spagoli. What I like about this is we got some Chris Candido on commentary, which doesn't do us any good because the whole point of our show is to talk over matches. So how much we gonna hear, Domain? But let's try to listen to what's going on here in the commentary, cuz that's the point of this match.

Hold on a second. What type of this? He's doing me right here, look. He's insane.

Well, I found a note that pertains to Sabu. Says Sabu has definitely sent out feelers to wwf, although the impression I got is that they aren't head over heels due to his track record. Heyman says he has Cebu under contract until the end of the year. There's also the situation going on in Japan with Sabu. Sabu wasn't booked on the current tour because that would mean he'd missed the pay per view. And it's just as well because it's the carnival tour for all Japan and all he would be doing is putting everybody else over. He originally wasn't booked on the May tour, but then the Patriot quit and so Giant Baba asked Sabu to do the tour. Sabu has been recently telling people he now wants to go to Pancrase, which, as you may or may not know, is something that I know a little bit about.

I think this is all though, that he was doing.

Yeah, but it says Sabu feels like he needs to prove his. Prove he's really tough, but it would absolutely kill his gimmick in Japan because he couldn't do anything he's famous for. Plus with all the injuries he already has, he'd just get more beat up and hurt doing that style.

Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That was. That was part of the notes, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I I think at this point that Paul Heyman is trying to pump up Sabu. Oh, sure, he's trying to give him a pass on all the. That he's. And even with this match here, like, oh, let's show Sabu having a good match with a good wrestler.

Yeah, it's like a little hype for the pay per view.

Yeah.

And then Sabo has to go and ruin it by throwing the chair like that.

Well, maybe he still sucks, but I was, like, trying to give him benefit of the doubt. Like, yeah, TV and I and you. Many times we've known. He's. He's not that good. Oh, that sucked right there. But he's not that good. And yeah, they want to pump Paul Heyman wants to pump him up as this guy that's a big superstar. And now, leading up to full disclosure, things that I've read about Barely Legal leading up to this and, you know, WWF stories and Vince McMahon loves Sabu. Like, I've read that a lot of times that he loves Sabu, and Sabu was one of the main reasons why he wanted to help the promotion.

Huh.

Interesting.

So now, like, with that perspective of what I've read in books, Paul Heyman had to, like, just go along with what Vince is saying is, like, Shabu's got to be the guy that makes sense. Paul's like, ah, I got to do what Vince says. I got bring Sabu back even though he left me. He sucks. And Taz wants nothing to do with him. Hey, I'm not making up. I read this, I wrote it in a book, and it's called Titan Screwed. Titan Screwed? Yep. It's a trilogy. Yeah, like Titan Sports. It's called Titan Screwed. It's a trilogy. I'm on the third book right now, and this is where it leads to that. It's well written, it's great series.

Joey.

And watch this match.

Do your job. Wow, great spot. L dvd. Oh, we got the ref knocked out. Rick, did you ever hear of any of that? What I said with the. Have you heard of the series? That book series?

No, I have.

Serious.

No.

Oh, oh, the. I think actually now that. Now that I'm thinking about it, I have read one of them. I forget which one's the first one.

First one. First one's about 1995.

Yeah, I've read that one. Which obviously I haven't read the 96 or 97 ones, but I've read the 95 one.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. It continues on to that. And that's.

Yeah.

And it doesn't explicitly say that's what happened, but.

Right.

It just leads me to thinking this kind of stuff.

Not happy about it.

What?

This compassion with S. Why does he care about R get along as it is. This kind of compassion going to get him choked out.

Oh, what the is going on in this match?

Bam.

What.

You think of that match sucked.

Yeah, well jv, your opinion is better than mine right now. I didn't like it.

There's the man. Just by folding his arms.

I love Taz and I love Chris Candido. So they're my man.

He's. He's not mocking him, but he's seeing like. Yep. See, he's a badass.

You're not gonna get struck by lightning, you're not gonna slip on a sidewalk.

You're not gonna even get hurt in.

A ring by accident by some out.

Of shape fat sloth.

Louis spicone. You see Sabu.

13 barely legal. You and I head up. I am gonna make sure you are 100.

So you have no excuses.

Saboo.

Joey's like, I hope Taz doesn't realize what Candido's doing behind him as I don't want to get caught in the crossfire.

Uhoh.

I appreciate that.

I lucky I like you.

You ever need a favor.

Your wife. Sorry.

Dick your wife down, bro.

Oh man. Rob Zombie in effect. Oh, you hear that? Oh, okay. Those all. All work.

Want to talk about me? You want to say that I. I'm a big cry baby. Well, let me tell you something. I. I am an old bastard and you can pull on my heart strings and yeah, I love a lot of different things. I love my kids, I love my family. And I'm not like you. I love my old man. Let me tell you something. You're the wimpy little bastard.

Yes. Tell him. Tell him how it is. Serve him justice for us here.

Because you just don't have it between life. You're not going to go me into fighting you, Funk. I don't need to fight you.

You got to get through a three.

Way dance to get to me.

Funk.

Three way dance.

No, Funk, you're not going to get me riled up.

You go ahead.

You keep on going ahead.

Just smack the out of him. Terry.

Let me tell you something.

Yeah, just stand up and pop him one.

Yeah, that would be huge.

Just he wants him with me. He knows that Riven can't handle it. It's my dad yelling at me. I can't deal with this.

Legitimately scared.

He's afraid of his dad.

Did he ever Say that he molested.

He did. He did.

I think he did say it once.

Yeah, I did.

Damn.

1997 was a different time.

Come on, get up.

Get up.

Fight me now.

The nevermore.

You piece of.

Hit him back, Terry. Yeah, him up. Get him in the locker.

Oh.

That'S a small little area too. And they're.

Raven doesn't have his guy liner on.

No, apparently not.

Wow.

There's a slightly odd way to go off the air. Them just kind of rolling around on the ground of the locker room.

Oh, this is the next episode I'm on. Never mind.

Yeah. What a fucking way to end that show.

Who's abrupt?

Yeah, abrupt.

Abrupt. Does this build shit up, though?

It does.

Does, yeah. Which is kind of what they want to do here. Right?

Right. It's all about leading up to a pay per view. So I think we just wrap things up quick here. Right?

Yeah.

Because we're gonna get to bleeding to barely legal. Right. The next next two episodes, just building up the really illegal. So that's what we're gonna get to. So please check us out in two weeks and we'll be covering each W Hardcore TV episode 207. And I think more. Yeah, like the way. The way I had it set up was 207 because I think it's like part recap show and then another recap show. I don't know. There'll be another episode that leads up to barely legal and then it will.

Have Fairly legal, say 2, because 208 would have aired after barely legal, but they didn't necessarily have the time to, you know, film a full show. That's like talking about barely legal, so.

Right. But I think the next. Yeah, we'll see.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe 207 becomes like a pre show of barely illegal. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. That's coming up. So check that out. And also check out JV and I on the bottom line wrestling cast the career of stone cold Steve Austin. And like I said, we are covering the career of stunning Steve Austin. And we are currently at episode 18, naturally stunning. And we just covered November through December of 1993 in which we build up to Starcade 93, where Stone Cold, you always say this stunning Steve takes on Dustin Rhodes for the u. S. Championship. So please check us out there at bottom line cast. And then, yeah, just give us a follows at NPRU 83. That's me, Mike Prue. Check out JV at John Van Damage. Check out Rick BB at Leo White 84 5. And check out his podcast at Hybrid Unarcast, and then of course always check out at Extreme Cast. Thanks guys for listening as always. Boys, anything else to say before we head on out of here? Nah. All right, guys, thanks for listening as always. Thank you, BTT Army. You are the best. Thank you for all your support. You're the song now we showing on.

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