It's a new year stuff. Oh, my God.

I travel with this guy. I've trained with them, I've broken bread with them and I choked him out.

The final battle between Raven and Tommy Dreamer.

You did your job and ran the fuckers off.

Look at that.

From the twisted steel section of Dudleyville.

Extreme Championship Wrestling has been thrown into disarray. This, my friends, is E C W.

Welcome to the extreme ECW live cast. And we are back with episode 102. We're covering ECW hardcore TV episodes 221. 222 from July 15th and 22nd, 1997. I'm Mike Peru, back at it with JV and Rick Beebe. How you guys doing?

What's going on, man?

What's up? What's up? 40 year old. Happy birthday.

Thank you.

The big four zero.

Yep.

Now we're all in our 40s. Nice. Yep. And we're talking about wrestling. We're just talking about, you know, getting old but being young. So yeah, this is a prime example of still being like a kid.

Oh, yeah.

Talking about wrestling and watching wrestling. I'm putting tops, chrome, WWE cards in plastics this afternoon.

Nice.

Putting them all.

You know, one thing I will say is, like, as you get older, surrounding yourself with people that still, like, have young tendencies are a lot less miserable to be around.

Oh, yeah, yeah. People that are just stressed with, you know, being an adult and just. Yeah, that's all they talk about and worry about. It sucks.

That sucks. I don't ever want to live like that.

Yeah. When I talk to jv, I want him to tell me about like, what comic book he bought. Like, that's, you know, not our real adult problems.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it's funny because of course we share that information too.

But no, yeah, but like sparingly. Like, so for example, Jesse lasts me sometimes. Like, oh, what is your. What's. What's going. Oh, like House Pru's daughters. I'm like, they're good,

you know,

what

do you talk about? And she'll ask me that and just say the same thing about my brother. Like, oh, I'm like, I don't know. Like he's good and talk to him every day. Like, I'm like, I don't know, what do you think we talk about? Like, we talk about wrestling and sports and like, we're not like, hey, how's the family? Like, you say that if you don't see someone for a while.

Right.

You just assume if something's wrong, your friends could be like, hey, this is up.

Yeah.

All right. Now, I need to know, you know.

Right.

My, My. You know, my daughter fell and broke her leg. You know, you know, they're not gonna. They're not gonna bring that up if, you know, they're not gonna bring up the kids unless something either really cool happened to him. I. My daughter's on the honor roll or, hey, she, you know, she's in traction at the local hospital. You know, it's one extreme or the other.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. If nothing said, then it all's well. Yeah. It's funny. It's funny how guys are like that, too. I mean, I don't know if girls are. But I can't really speak to that. But I would imagine they're not.

Yeah, well, Jess definitely implies that they're not.

Yeah. Yeah.

They get off about their problems all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why girls gossip and we don't.

Right.

We just kind of, like, rant.

Yes.

And they gossip.

I would say they.

Oh, most women gossip.

Not to offend any one or two women listeners.

Yeah. The few female listeners we have left.

Yeah. Let's get into this, though. So you got two good episodes. It's been a while, you know, since the last two. But, you know, we're. We're not too far off. I think we're just, you know, it's been two weeks since last one. Not even. But it feels. It feels like a long time. Whenever. Two weeks always feels like a long time, you know, to think back to, what did we just watch? But once we start watching, you know. Yeah, right back on it. Yeah. It all clicks again. But before we get to these two episodes, let me just give the rundown. Follow us on Twitter X Rather at Extreme Cast. Follow me Mike Pro at MPRU 83, LJV at John Van Damage, and follow Rick BB at Leo Wyatt 85. Also check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast the career of Stone Cold Steve Austin. We are currently covering stunning Steve Austin now. Latest episode will be out soon. It's episode 21. It's covering February 1994 and the Super Bowl 4 match, the Thunder Cage.

Finally getting past that chicken suit.

Yeah, finally past the chicken suit saga,

or the chicken shoot, as Austin called it.

Yeah, the chicken shoot.

It's. It's funny. I was listening to that episode and he said that, and I'm like, I gotta tell these. And then you called him out on it. So I'm like, okay. Wasn't the only one that noticed.

Yeah, I like those two Episodes, though. It took a while to get through them, but yeah, like four months. Yeah, four months.

But no, it was. It was a good episode. Well, good series of episodes, right?

Yeah. I like the second one better than the first one. The culmination of it all.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, big word.

But there's plenty of episodes available though, covering Stone Cold Steve Austin. Right. There's over 200. We got like 258. 58 episodes over there. So. Ton of episodes covering all Stone Cold Steve Austin from 96 all the way up to 2003 and then special appearances after that. And, you know, just about everything. We did the Hollywood Blondes. We're almost towards the end of Stunning Steve because he's leaving in 95, so you got about a year left to cover. So some of these episodes are monthly. Some of them are broken into two episodes per month. Like February is just going to be one episode because there's barely any. Barely anything to February because they stopped going on the road for a little while there.

Yeah. They cut out the house shows.

Yeah. And not many TV appearances for Austin in February, so be a short one. Nope, not really short in the sense that the episode will be short but not a lot to cover.

Right.

Anyway. Yeah, check that out. So the bottom Line Wrestling cast, the career of Stone Cold Steve Austin. And with that said, we're gonna get moving on now to our first episode of hardcore TV this week. And that is episode 221, July 15, 1997. If you're gonna watch it on Peacock, it's on season five, episode 29. Also, the version that we're gonna watch is on the Internet Archive, so you can go there, check it out. Remember though, if you're searching for it, you're gonna spell ECW backwards. W, C, E. Soft Core tv. Yeah, they went opposite with everything. Surprised the year is not backwards too.

Yeah, no kidding.

79.91. All right, so you guys all set? Ready to go?

Yes, sir.

All right, I'll give a countdown three down to one, then say play. When I say play, we all click play. 3, 2, 1.

Lay you don't make your mark on this sport by following other people's footsteps.

Those are some high cut briefs.

Yeah.

Every time I can't hear anything. I don't have to hear anything. I can just look at that.

I gotta adjust my volume. As always.

Swim with the shark.

It's better not throw my timing off with everybody else.

Yeah, it always happens. You know that.

All right, now I'm good.

Yeah, that's not a bikini Right. That's just underwear, right?

Oh, yeah, that's. That's her bra and panties. Those might. Those might be his, like, wrestling trunks too.

Yeah, they look like his trunks.

Yeah, I think he has his knee pads. Oh, no, maybe not. Okay, for a second there, it was a shot, it was a shadow, but it looked like he had knee pads on. I'm like, what the are you wearing knee pads for?

I wish you'd get out of the way.

So Shane's talking about the TV title. He's saying, I don't want that cheap crap gold fake gold belt.

The disrespect.

Acting like he dropped the belt to Taz.

Yeah. Like he willingly just gave it up.

Right. Good way to spin it though. It's like they wanted him in the world title picture, so that's why they gave the TV to Taz.

Right.

So they're taking that and they're just making it part of the story. Shane Douglas decided he wants to go for the world title,

especially since, you know, Raven left, right? Stevie's gone or going.

So I think he's gone already.

You gotta, you gotta fill in, fill in those empty spots now. And Shane's a tried and true, you know, guy to be in a main event.

Yeah. Former champions.

Right.

Francine's bikini looks like painted on bikini. I keep saying bikini.

We know, we know what you mean, we know.

Look at that tan line.

Nice. High waisted, like thin G string type.

Yeah. Bottoms should turn around for a sec.

No kidding.

Talking about banging her,

She started laughing.

Yeah. We've been dripping and dropping all over the place. Yeah, she did crack up for that. We hit her face behind them.

And three years ago, I made it my belt. I took a three year vacation promo.

Does it hurt to have Francine looking the way she does?

No, but he's doing a good job of what, you know, with what he's saying.

It's telling the story. Yeah, like that I let these other guys hold the title, Right.

This is my belt. I just let them hold it because I. I didn't want to hold it for all this time.

This sport, Taz, I tapped out for you because I didn't want the belt anymore. Terry Funk, I'm coming to you after I take a swim in this drink. You're all mine, terry funk. Cause 53 years old and I don't give this drink.

Being Francine

with the cuts on his

shoulder, I was just noticing that, but I wasn't sure if it was just

on both sides, man.

Did he have like, pec surgery? Or something like the Rock had, you know, so he didn't have the.

Oh, yeah, the.

The man.

Yeah. We just wear that shirt all the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1999. He wore that shirt for, like, eight months.

It's funny, you would have thought he would have had, like, more stylish outfit. He was just wearing that black shirt with, like, Adidas sweatpants on or something.

Yeah, yeah. That was his whole. His whole getup.

Yeah.

But he still looked cool with it on somehow.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. That looks like we got the same. Same opener.

Yep.

Cool. Sometimes they go back and forth, though. Like, one week it's new, and then another week it's back to the old one.

Right.

They probably just forgot, like, oh, we're using the old one by accident.

Yeah. Rick rude again.

Here's the stupid song again, too.

View Sunday night, August 17th.

All right, so Shane Douglas is getting that title shot, that Heat Wave. Heat Wave, right. Yeah. Heaven's the pay per view. Heat Wave is the next ECW show. Arena show. Yeah.

And I don't. I don't know if you guys really looked into the notes or whatever, but Heat Wave is gonna be a. A very interesting card because Rick Roode is going to be on that card.

Well, that's supposed to be a surprise. All right.

Yeah, well, I figured this is talking, what, 18, 28 years later. People don't know this yet. Heavyweight champion KFAB brother.

But I won't give the rest away. But there is still a twist even with that.

Yes, there is.

We won't spoil that twist.

Will defend the ECW World Tag Team.

Who's to say that uglies are going to be.

Here comes the song.

Inkling that the gangsters are going to be our new world tag team champ.

Audio sounds weird with him talking.

It does.

He had like an echo effect. It sounded.

Yeah.

Sound like that for you?

Yeah, a little bit.

But Joey Sign sounds different. Sounds fine.

Title against BWO Hollywood Nova.

All right, so what are they talking about here? Talking about Heat Wave still no, he's

talking about Taz about to defend against Hollywood Nova.

Okay. All right, so let me try to get through some quick results here. ECW at Wildwood, New Jersey, July 10, 1997. A little Guido and Tracy Smothers defeating Danny Morrison. Roadkill. Mikey Whipple, Wreck and Spike Dudley defeated PG13. Shane Douglas defeated Chris Chetty, his all time favorite guy to wrestle, apparently. I feel like I'm always saying that. Douglas versus Chetty. I even saw Douglas versus Chetty in person in forever that's who he fought. Two years later, Bambi and Bigelow defeated Bobby Duncan Jr. Chris Candido defeated Balls Mahoney. An old retro Smoky Mountain match. ECW Tag Team Champions. The Dudleys defeated Axel Rotten and new Jack CWTV champ Taz defeated John Cronus. Tommy Dreamer defeated Luis Ficoli in an I quit. Match. And the Sandman defeated Rob Van Dam. And the following day, it's July 11, 1997, and it's at Asbury Park, New Jersey. And the matches that we're going to see on this episode are from that show. I'll just mention some of the other matches. Rick, what were you gonna say?

I was gonna say a little point of can not contention, but, you know, point of interest, I guess you could say that. First match at Wildwood. Little Guido and Tracy Smothers against a Danny Morrison and Roadkill. Danny Morrison and Roadkill are going to team up again in a couple of years. He will be Dastardly Danny Doring.

Oh, okay.

And Roadkill is Amish Roadkill.

Amish Roadkill. Yeah.

Yeah. So. So that was a early. Yeah, I don't want to say early because they may have been teaming before them, but the first we've come up to. Yeah, yeah. Where you know, Danny Doring and Amish Roadkill are teaming together.

Good point there. But yeah. In Asbury Park, Danny Morrison is teaming up with another person. Do you know who this is? Budlicious.

Budlicious, I do not know. I'm gonna. I'm gonna do a little quick research. Sounds like. Sounds like he would have been either Sandman's best friend or Rob Van Damme's best friend, depending on what kind of Bud we're talking.

Well, they got. They got me by the FBI, so they probably weren't that good.

Anna.

Tom Pritchard defeated Luis Macaulay in another over body Donna's match, Chris Chetty defeated Jason, who's made his return. PG13 defeated Mikey Whipwreck and Spike Dudley. So getting that win back from the previous night, Axelrod and Bobby Duncan Jr. Defeated Jimmy. Jimmy Shoulders.

Jimmy Shoulders.

You know who that is, right?

We do. Well, Cloudy is right.

Yeah, Cloudy from the bodies on us.

Yeah.

And then he teamed up with Bill Wiles. And then lastly, before I get back to the show here, Cyberwin RVD defeated Tommy Dreamer and Sandman. The matches I didn't mention we'll see on this episode. All right, go back to Joey

themselves. If BWO Hollywood Nova can defeat Taz for the ECW World Television title. The problem is.

Hollywood Nova I forgot who that bwo. Yeah.

Is that Crush?

That does. He does have the face paint.

Yeah, he does. I didn't think of that. There's the Inchworm, the fake Dennis Rodman. Inch Worm. So at this point, this is like Jank BWL without Steve Richards.

This is the B team of bwo.

It's like how NWO was by this point. Point.

Yeah, I was gonna say. No, that's exactly. I was gonna say. This is like NWO 1999.

Yeah.

When he had, like, Stevie Ray and Virgil. Yeah.

Yeah. Who's the other guy? Yeah. Crush. Speaking of Crush, Brian Adams. That's how bad it was. Is that Brian Adams. Vincent and Stevie Ray were all, like, vying for who was going to be the leader of nwo. Black and white.

Yeah.

It's because Hogan was gone for a while at that point.

Yeah. Nash and had joined the. Done the wolf pack thing.

Yeah.

Yeah. My hands are my weapons.

Badass, huh? I like how they added in his own quotes, too.

Yeah. Yeah.

This is not the Kiss version anymore, though, right?

No, I mean, maybe they ripped the audio like the. The instrumental, but yeah, it's not. It's not the Kiss song with the vocals. Yeah. I mean, it very well could be like a remake or something.

Yeah. Did ECW have their own CD at this time?

Not at this time. They. They have two later on, which I am the owner of one of them and. But I have both of them, like, saved. Like, I downloaded one. The other one I don't have. But that's not on there, because they were. After Taz had left to go to wwe. WWE.

Game, then.

Oh, yeah. I think. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Right? I think the second one, Anarchy Rocks, I think that came out in like, 2001, right before they shut down. Yeah, that's the one I own, too.

Taz always looking badass, that belt. Love it.

I need to get that to hang on my wall. That belt,

It would have been cool as the ECW Championship, but I like that about.

Yeah.

As well. The other one, Terry Funk's boat.

Oh, for sure.

You tell somebody to shut the up.

No, he's calling out Big Stevie.

There's. Where's your pup, buddy?

Raven needed somebody to carry his bags. Raven needed somebody to drive around. And Raven needed somebody to wipe his.

Like this. Or ass. What's it had to be, right?

Yeah.

They want to bleep ass.

Call him a too.

I knew he's gonna tell somebody. Shut the up.

That's vicious.

Going to give you one free shot, brother. And I'mma choke you out. And I'm going to end the BWO

and terminate him by myself

now, brother.

Ring the bell.

Ring it.

Shot.

He's yelling at the reference like, that was it.

I don't know who that ref is, but he is definitely cring.

Who the is that? Yeah, I didn't know it wasn't a normal referee.

He's not doing a good job, though, in my opinion. He's. Oh, no, he's. He's selling more than Nova, right?

Oh, my God. What's happening?

It's a. It's completely understandable to react when. Like that. When he dropped him on his head. But, like, when Taz kicks him. Don't. Don't act like he kicked you.

Wait, this guy sucks. Look at them, too. All scared in the corner.

Yeah.

Oh, there it is.

Nice try, Nova.

That was. That was a valiant effort.

Never been a big fan of the bwo.

Thomas Rodman once sovia.

Gutsy little fell

literally. Still taller than Taz.

Yeah, this. He's not a small guy.

No, I mean, he's not jacked, but yeah, he. He's tall.

Yeah, he's probably what, 5, 10, 5 11.

Yeah, he's got to be close. Close to. Close to six feet.

Yeah, Taz is like five' eight or something.

Yeah,

That's it. He's. Looks like the nerd from. Well, the black nerd from Revenge of Nerds, right?

The one. The one who was also in Karate Kid.

Yeah, yeah, Lamar.

Yeah, Lamar. There you go. I mean, he's like, I don't want anything. He just takes the BWO shirt off, blows his nose in it.

Smart move by the Blue Meanie.

I must have saw that scene from Revenge of Nerds a hundred times when Lamar is doing the song at the end of the movie.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, I was like, always on HBO when I was a kid.

As a matter of fact, we might want to look into that. Where was T when that stuff was going on?

Crowd loves Taz. It's Asbury Puck Brown.

I mean, he kind of screams what they want out of there. He, like, screams the brand.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Yeah. He's a wrestler. He's badass.

Yeah, he's. In a way, like, then maybe this is sacrilege, but he's like, they're Austin in a way and that. He's not really a good guy or a bad guy. He's just a badass that will fight anybody.

Yeah, he doesn't give a. About anybody.

Right.

He's not on anybody's side.

Yeah, very much like where Austin would have been at this time, you know, July of 97.

Yep. Yeah, more so like Austin of 96.

Right, right, right.

Making a Bret Hart feud build up to that.

Yeah.

Or he's just kicking people's ass on. On the set like Live Wire and Live Wire, but forget what show was. But he just like throwing the assistance around.

Yeah, no, that wasn't that Live Wire, was it?

Live Wire.

I had to get up at 9 o' clock on a Sunday on a Saturday morning for this.

The hell is this?

Barely Legal?

No, I mean that in the music.

Oh, okay.

I'm getting like. I don't know, the audio is weird. I'm hearing some crap in the left there and. Yeah, mostly in the right. But it's not like just bad audio.

Disruptive.

No, it's almost like I can hear like some different in the background.

It's not like an echo you're hearing, right?

No, It's like faint music in the background.

Oh, weird.

Yeah, that's.

Maybe I'm going crazy. Whatever. Maybe my hearing is just more exceptional right now than usual.

And you see they were. Oh gosh, the Bert Flickinger center and Buffer. Yeah, they will go, they'll go back there quite a bit.

All this. Ah, look at that girl. The girl gave Francine a dirty look like what do you think you're wearing? Oh, she's like, oh, I like that outfit.

Yeah, she like to bounce to New Jersey.

Oh, look at this. Francine's fitting in as a Jersey girl with that outfit. Boom. Ass off the rope. Yeah. Center. Bam. Bam. 40 pounds lighter than usual.

Thinner. Still isn't even, even more agile probably. Actually.

Yeah. Oh, hello, Rick. Rude's all Holland up as always.

Yep.

His comments are funny. I don't care.

Oh no, he brings, he brings an excellent insight to it. Even if it is, you know, 12 year old boy humor. Because that's pretty much how old you and me were when we were watching it.

Yeah, that's the target.

Yeah. Rude Cam. Hold the bone. Right, right. There was one. Hold the phone. Let's take a look at the root camp. What should I say? Hold the bone.

That's a great line.

The hand cam guy has had a Bruins hat on.

The Pit bulls. They with pit bulls.

Is this, is this a tag team match?

Yeah, I think it's three on three.

Okay.

Yeah.

My notes, what I got.

Yeah, yeah. Triple Threat versus the Pit Bulls. And, and balls.

Jeez, that ball's going to town on chain.

Yeah, tell them Pitbull too It's some nice swings there.

Rick Rude's gonna have some balls. Jokes. Beast from the east in his hometown.

Yeah, at the Asbury Park Convention Center. Right.

Imagine the pain the Pitbull must have felt when Bam Bam wrapped him with that steel chain.

That explains the opening. Shane's wearing those same tights. Yeah, Right. And Francine probably just took off. That the outfit?

Yeah, yeah, she probably took the top off and whatever the. I don't. You know, they're not really the Lace

or whatever the hell.

Yeah, but it seems to be nothing more than a premeditated ambush.

Yeah, it's got to be the same. Yeah, it's. Obviously it is.

Oh, it's JV's favorite wrestler. Not really, but his. His favorite match soundtrack song.

Favorite moment of the show.

Yeah, see how long they play it.

The rest of the match, just straight chaos. Like, has any other wrestler ever had this? The music just plays for a while.

I think we've talked about it before, but I forget what the verdict was.

I mean, in terms of like, during a match. No, I don't. I can't think of anything. Obviously the Sandman. They play that song two, three times depending on how long it takes him to get into the ring.

The Dudley.

The.

Is that guy Malenko?

Is it Malinko?

Is that Joe Malenko?

It looks like a Malika.

It's one of them that.

No, that does look like Joe Malenko. I don't think it is, per se, but it looks like Joe Malenko. Yeah.

If it's not, who the hell is that guy?

Who's the. Who's. Is that Jerry Lynn?

Is it Danny Morrison or something?

Bad way, but you got to believe.

And they're not on the card, so

Streets, if anyone can take it, it's New Jack.

Actually, that one of them might have been Danny, you know, Danny Doring or whatever. Because I swear that one of the other dudes that came out was roadkill.

Oh,

unless it was that Bud Budlicious dude. I tried looking him up, there's nothing I can't find.

Maybe it's Joe Malenko.

Yeah, there you go.

Delicious. Knuckle junction. That one didn't land.

Yeah, they can't always be winners.

Yeah, he's got a good batting average, though.

Yeah, he does.

Oh, now we got the eliminators. Yeah, true. Oh, that smashed. Surprised nobody got hit with that in the crowd.

Yeah, no kidding.

Maybe they did.

They ain't going to sue.

Would have to parry Saturn. And Cronus saved his partner.

Look at this. Cronus and New Jack Are fighting side by side whether they know it or not.

I forget there was the match going on.

Yeah.

This is.

This is actually a match. It's not just a brawl.

The people fighting, none of them are in the match.

I was going to say we've got like 10 guys and half of them are actually in the match.

Now there's a ref. Ball Mahoney with a wrestling move.

Yeah.

That may leg drop. Oh, elbow drop.

Wow, that was a nice elbow drop.

That. That was a nice elbow drop.

Yeah. That big dick.

Yeah. I thought he was going for a leg drop though. You're right.

Have been decimated.

Look like it. Yeah. The. Is that. Oh, that's Corus

Flaming dragon.

Oh no. Paul's shirt's coming off. Great.

The. Was that pike sheet or something?

It looks like it.

Have I said that already?

Right.

You don't like balls.

Yeah, I don't think I like it.

What I call the clothes. Yeah. Yeah. Pull me into Cactus Jack.

Yeah.

More so than Hack Myers.

Oh yeah. There's a lot of wannabe cactus.

I. I will say this. Balls Mahoney, definitely not the greatest wrestler, but he has his. He has his place in the company.

Yeah. Balls mode is better than Hack Myers. Oh yeah, yeah. Balls gets better over time I think too. He does like his role gets larger.

Yeah.

Mainly because so many people have left by that point. But

ah, Balls Mahoney just looks like a guy I'd see.

Yeah. Cronus. It's a cross between a stunner and an RKO out of nowhere.

Okay. Oh wow.

Belly to belly.

That was reverse Shane's belly to belly with his own. Francine breaks the count.

Seen a belly to belly.

Cuz Francine has that nice little push the referee allows her to have her way.

Funny. I think I said it last time. But Rick Rude. Sometimes I feel like we're hearing Jesse Ventura. But then it's like oh yeah, it's Rick Rude.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's got that voice. Pretty sure I said that the minute.

Yeah, he's got that. That Minnesota voice.

Yeah. Chris Candido riding the pit bull, Choking him out and like, like it's funny because Candido's small. So it looks like he's riding like a little pony or something.

He's on top of me. He's got a dog collar on.

Yeah.

I clicked on the wrong thing on pornhub accidentally.

That's the worst when that happens. It's like why is there a guy like

why is there a dude yelling in German?

Yeah, the happened.

Why. Why are they at the supermarket.

How did my algorithms lead to this being unrecommended?

Exactly.

Oh, nutshot.

That was a clean nutshot.

Yeah, it was. That was sneaky.

You. Hey, Shane Douglas. Talking up a good game like, oh, I'm gonna take on Terry Funk and be the champion. But he's having a tough time with Balls Mahoney.

Yeah, he's taking a beating now. They let him wrestle for a little while now. Back to the injured list.

Oh, what did you call? You make some Dr. Death, Steve Williams reference about Bos Mahoney last time?

Yeah, he does kind of look like him.

If.

If Dr. Death let himself go.

Yeah, doctor died.

Steve Williams, Dr. Death's younger brother.

Yeah.

Didn't work out as hard as him.

You know, all the. I just had a really terrible thought. In that ring, there was like one guy that was still alive.

Oh, all the time.

When? At the. At the end of the match. Douglas is the only. Well, not in. Francine and Douglas are the only two. But friggin Balls was in the rings. Yeah.

And Bam. Candido.

Yep. Anthony. Anthony Durante's dead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Big Dick Dudley's dead.

There may be no stopping the all new Triple Threat

Banana.

Magnet finger. She wagging that thing, shaking that thing. Nice. A New Jack promo.

New Jack?

Yep. Oh, serious. New Jack.

I've held concussed my closest friends in

my arms

and they died tonight.

I.

I held Mustafa as they put him in an ambulance and they drove off and I watched it. I've had it with the Dudleys. I have had it. You done pushed me to a point. I don't care no more. I've had it. We gonna get you in a cage and I promise you. I promise you, we gonna take you

out,

Bubba,

Devon, Big Dick, we gonna take you out. The only way that you'll survive that night, you gonna have to kill me. Forget about pinning me. One, two, three. You gonna have to kill me

dead.

The arena, You gonna be in a cage. And Devon and Bubba, when you look across the ring at the gangsters, You looking at somebody that came in on a mission. We gonna take you out. We ain't gonna beat you up. You going down. You going down. We gonna take your out. I promise you,

Dallas.

I'm gonna testify. You going down. You going down. I swear. Oh, my father. You going down.

That was a good promo. Common collected. Now you know he means business.

Yeah.

Definitely not.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

But in a way it's more scary, right?

Yeah, I agree with that.

Well, what's good for the Gangster is good for the gardener. So I will make.

Oh, Gardner. This neck brace and bow tie.

No shirt. He's wearing his boxers, no pants.

And Devon, do not enter hardcore heaven. 96.

Is he still alive?

We.

Yeah.

The ECW tag team titles around their waists. And officially recognized by Extreme Championship Wrestling as the tag team champion.

He posts on X Twitter that kind of thing every so often.

No, no.

More significantly, I will shave my head and my chest on pay per view. And for the Dudley Boys, nothing will matter. They'll stay home if they don't have the tag team titles. The Dudley Boys will stay back in Dudleyville and watch as I live on pay per view. Shave my head and my chest. So it's obvious that the team that wins this Saturday night at the ECW arena is going to enter the Pay per View as the champion. And I'm confident that that tag team

regretting his decision already.

Yeah.

Bubba Ray and Devon Dudley, he's like. Because there's a contractual obligation for there to be a tag team title defense. Yes, The Dudley Boys, I'm certain of it. Still, I stand by my guarantee, if the Dudley Boys cannot show up as the champions, I will shave my head and. Is there a chest hair club? Can we restart this? Is there a chest hair club for men?

No, just make him put a shirt on.

They don't wear the titles. I have to wear a shirt. That's funny.

Still, I will shave my head in my chest. I guarantee it. Because as far as the gangsters are concerned, and as far as far as the Dudley Boys are concerned, with the gangsters. For the Dudleys and myself, it is hair today. And for the gangsters, it is gone this Saturday night.

I got something for you. I got something good for you. You're gonna like this. I'm bringing someone on the set with me. Someone that you're gonna enjoy. Ladies, gentlemen, welcome.

Billboards.

Hey, guess.

Notice RVD wearing a WCW shirt.

Yeah. Have you seen a big crew? It says.

Yeah,

probably from when he was there.

1993.

Yeah. 93, 92. Beat him like we own them.

I like that chic shirt. Yeah.

You think you got us back? Wrong.

We got you. I kind of want Fonzie's hat, too. Like, I like that. That logo.

Yeah. Speaking of trap, let's shine to it.

Help me out here, Fonzie. I think I have the head honcho of Extreme Championship Wrestling caught in a trap. Bill, what's on my shirt?

Who is that guy?

That's a poor artist. Wrestle 192. Damn, that's a great war games match.

Yeah, it was

me.

Aren't you the one that was upset with me for going and Wrestling episode

available at Bottom Line Wrestling cast covering that

nice plug.

Roughly about the same age as Rob Van Dam.

Yours truly.

Now, what's up with that? Oh, I get it. It was right for you then, that's

not right for you.

You now. Right? So that means it can't be right for me now. That sucks. You know something? You want to start all the fans telling me I sold out.

You sold out?

You sold out.

Let me tell you something. I'm gonna sell out the ECW Arena Saturday night with Rob Van Dam fans all there to see me and Sabu.

And Sabu, you want to know how

I feel kicking booty the cage and

how I know that I'm going to come out of there without a scar, wearing the same smile and these same dimples? I'm gonna tell you. Oh, I'm not gonna tell you. I don't have much time. Hey, I got much time. I have a hair appointment. You understand? I'm. I gotta look my best for Monday nights and all. I'm getting a lot of exposure these days. You understand? Understand? I gotta go wrap this up.

Fo. And remember this.

We're not trapped in a cage.

You are.

It had down to this, didn't it? It had to come down to a couple of Southern boys who know real wrestling when they see it. Jerry the King Lawler and Jim cornett, along with Mr. Monday Night, Rob Van Dam and of course Sabu to lay waste to your whole stinking company of ecw. I understand that Tommy Dreamer had to go to the hospital and they had to take a long needle and stick

it in his testicle and drain all

that fluid out from where it was so enlarged. Of course, sticking a needle in Tommy Dreamer's testicle would look like sticking a telephone pole into an ear of corn, if you know what I mean. But get this. Jerry the King Lawler is going to have things well in hand from now on.

And Rob Van Damon Sabbath, little tiny balls.

Yeah.

Jim Cornette, come back to the ECW Arena. I'd rather go skinny dipping in a septic tank of a slaughterhouse and come back to that. But I guarantee you this. If the. If the option arises, if the chance comes my way one more time to stick it to you dangerously, then that's exactly what I'm gonna do. You know, you fans found out the other night that you're not quite as smart as you think you are. And that may be a disturbing thing, but isn't it also a plus? Remember, wasn't half the fun of going to a wrestling match when you never knew what was going to happen. Well, with Jerry Lawler around, with Jim Cornette around, you never know what's going to happen. Even you smart folks who really ain't quite so smart.

After all, nobody knows what ECW means to us.

Sam's guts hanging.

Put a shirt on bad.

He's Hammond for sure.

Yeah, he's got. He's got that, that. The tan line. Like. Yeah, he passed out at the pool.

Yeah, yeah.

He's on the beach. Yeah.

Guy talking air off at like 7:30 at a resort. We were trying to catch like a late dinner.

Yeah, yeah, the guy's drunk off his ass.

Restaurant you going to. You should have went to this when the SC one.

That's awesome.

Okay.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, the. The mild racism that comes out of it.

Yeah, It's got that stare going on too.

Yeah, Yeah.

A thousand mile stare, whatever.

The concussion stare.

Do I know you?

Yeah.

Want to do. I do what I want to do. I'm the world television champion.

Hey, this is kind of like what you're saying, Rick. The. The Austin attitude. Yeah, like I'm not going to be your tag team wrestler partner the hell out of here. You don't tell me you get out of here.

No, I ain't going to be your partner.

You and that drunk in the cage, that drunk company.

I do. You guys work hard. That's great. I stand alone. You guys want to waste your time with the Batista scum, you go ahead and do it with your stupid little silly feuds. I ain't about no feuds. I ain't about no partners. Every partner I had swerved me and me over. You want to do something? Hey, come after me for my belt. Dreamer. Sandman. Come after me for my belt. Don't waste your time with that. I told you guys a long time ago, let's just go, man. Let's just take them. We'll take them out of the street. We'll take them on the street. We stretch it, we beat him up, end it. But no, you, you want. You want to make it a big deal? Oh, let's. Let's draw a house. Well, let's. Let's run down the wwf. I ain't looking to run down anything or anything, anybody. I'm the World Television Champion. I ain't teaming with nobody. I ain't going to no stupid cage with you guys. You guys want to waste Your time. Waste your time. Don't ever tell me what I'm doing and when I want to choke you out or salmon out or Law Van Damme or that schmuck Sabu. I'll do it when I want to do it. Hey, Tommy Dreamer, Sandman. Oh, I'm co with this.

Looks cold. He's like shivering.

Yeah, it does look wicked cool. It's freezing.

Seems like. Thank God I'm wearing my bra and not. Not a bikini top. Because then, you know, certain things would be poking. Not that we would mind.

One of you ECW fans should be locked up.

Looks like it's like a little boy

placed on his head. It's like action figure. It's like the G.I. joe. They had like the velvet hair.

Yeah, I was gonna. I was gonna say it's like a leg. The Lego guy that has the. The. You know, the helmet

guy.

I really don't think dream need to turn to anybody. I think this problem need to settle on their own, you know, you just got to get to the bottom of this. Jerry Lawler has been jacking him around. He's been screwing with the ecw. Where in the hell does this Sabu and Van Dam get off by siding with Lawler? I mean, they're biting the hand that feeds him. They've been here for ecw. They've been wrestling. They've been getting paid us to. This old piece of. Jerry Lawler comes in and starts jacking everybody around. He jacked me around when I broke into this sport. I wish my. You know, if my neck wasn't, I'd kick his myself. Damn it. I don't give a who they pick as a partner. They need to lock that cage door.

Dude.

They got that Jerry Lawler rubber nickels. They gotta kick the gut out of them. Then they gotta get Sabo fat D. They gotta settle.

They gotta get out their back. Well, we're not happy about it. Yeah, that elimination.

Yeah, that did get awkward.

Auto elimination. Trying to see if there's anything worth mentioning. The notes. There's a travel package for the Pay per view, Fort Lauderdale. $329 for airfare, hotel, ringside ticket.

Shut up and take my money.

I have Paulie. I hear Paul Heymon screaming in my left ear.

Really?

Yeah. There's like. There must be like audio underneath this audio that's very faint. It's like. I don't know. That's weird. It's as if like they recorded this episode over another episode and.

And. And there's audio bleeding through.

Yeah. All right. So what are we flashing back there?

Night the line was crossed again.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

When Douglas spanks her.

Yep.

Not Douglas Rude spanks her.

Yeah. Holy. Don't mind seeing that again.

No, I'll.

Crossing the line again.

Cross the line again. Yeah.

The last thing Tommy Dreamer is Jerry Lawler standing above me.

He loves doing his promos like this. Whack my balls. That was a visceral scream.

Yeah.

When the blackness comes. Getting knocked out.

You're not coming anymore.

It's amazing he was able to have children.

Speeds up and comes to a stop. Jim Cornette, you woke me up.

Oh, connect.

That probably doesn't hurt nearly as much as the ball shot.

Oh no.

To a board.

It sounds good.

Yeah. Oh yeah, it sounds amazing.

Ice all over me.

The doctor said all over my balls.

Because you have excess of fluid and bleeding.

The. Yes, gross.

When the doctor tells you this may hurt, you know you're in trouble.

This may hurt.

He took out a needle this big and inserted it inside my scrotum.

Needle bigger than my dick.

And fluid to stop the swelling to prevent it from a complete and total rupture.

Can you just touch my nuts for me?

That'd be ruptured of a totally different nature.

I can't sleep at night. I can't lay on my back because of you, Jim Cornette. I can't lay on my stomach. Was a you Jerry Lawler.

I can't wear jeans anymore.

Into the darkness of how much revenge another man will take on another bite off an ear maybe. You see Jerry Lawler, you shouldn't wonder what the mystery of my partner is. You should wonder of the mystery of how you're going to escape that cage with your still attached

this promos ball. His promos always suck. Well, that concludes that episode end up with Tommy.

Yeah.

Talking about his balls. All right, so yeah, that's a good episode. Nothing to complain about there. Really.

No. That promo at the end was well paced.

Long promo.

Got some different to get the promo from New Jack.

Yeah, yeah. It's a good pro. Was a Shane. Shane Douglas's promo at the top was. Was good. And then like the whole montage of all of them are pretty good. Gartner, Rob Van Dam, Cornette.

Yeah, yep. Jerry Lawler with his helmet hair.

Yeah, that's right. Taz. Taz had a great one.

Yeah.

And then Tommy Dreamer had two stinkers with a bloated sandman in the background of one of them.

And. And Rick, don't forget Rick Rude yelling. Oh yeah, Joey's backing off like he's about to get his ass kicked by Rick Rude.

Yeah, so that was the Asbury park episode. And now the next episode is going to be onto Heat Wave. It's going to be at the ECW Arena. Oh, we're going to be getting those steel cage matches that they've been hyping. It's going to be match heavy actually, so should be a good one. All right, we'll take our quick little break and we'll play some kind of song for you during the break. We'll figure that out later, so enjoy whatever it is and we'll be right back.

Sa. I could tell by how far the child shadow stretched out on me he walked with a purpose and the sneakers down the street he had begging questions like children after the to he said Tell me all your thoughts on God. Tell me am I very far?

Must happen

Late afternoon. On our way the sun broke free of the cloud we count only blue cars we crack in the street and ask many questions like children often do we said tell me all your thoughts on God Cuz I really like to meet her and ask her why World who we are. Tell me all your thoughts on God Cuz I'm on my way to see her so tell me am I Mary. It's getting cold picked up the pace. How our shoes make hot noises in this place. Children often do Tell me all your thoughts on God Cause I really like to meet her and ask her why, where, who we are. Tell me all your thoughts on God Cause I'm on my way to see her so tell me am I very.

All right, we're back now for the next episode of ECW Hardcore TV. And that is episode 222 covering July 22nd of 1997. And this episode's available on Peacock Season 5, episode 30, and on the Internet Archive where it's listed as July 21st, 1997. And that's version we'll be watching. There's a run time of 53 minutes and 30 seconds. Yep, that's what I have. Might be different. For whatever reason sometimes that happens. But this episode is going to be covering Heat Wave 97, so we're going to be moving ahead a couple weeks previous one was at Asbury park on the 11th and this one 10 days later. Oh, not even eight days later at the ECW Arena. So we get a lot of cage matches. So two big cage matches and a couple other matches. We got the championship match, Terry Funk, Shane Douglas. So stacked card here. And the Impact episode. Not a cage match though. No that one's not a cage match. We got Robbie and M. Sabu, Jerry Lawler in the cage against Sandman. Tommy Dreamer and a mystery partner we mentioned earlier, possibly gonna be Rick Rude.

Yeah.

Another steel cage matches for the Tag Team Championship. It's the Gangsters versus the Dudley Boys. So if the. Was this what the stipulation was?

Yeah.

Had to win the title or are they already.

Gertner was saying that if they didn't go into the pay per view, the Dudleys didn't go into the Pay per view with the tag team titles, then he would shave his head and his chest. But the point was, is that if they basically, if they don't win this match at Heat Wave, they won't be going in. Yeah, because there's no matches scheduled after this match before the pay per view.

Right.

Okay. So you need the Dudley Boys to win this, or he has to shave his chest hair and shave his head. All right, so we got all that. So let's get right into it. You guys all set up? Yep.

Yep.

All right, I'll do the countdown. Three down to one, say play. When I say play, we all click play. 3, 2, 1, play. All right, into the cage. I'm in the topic. All right, so we're joined in progress here. So either just highlights or it's just the end of the match. New Jack's doing some crazy. He's going all the way up top of the cage.

He looks like he's lighting truss by the AC unit.

I know he's going up there to fix the ac.

Right?

AC in the ECW arena doesn't work.

What's that.

Off the top of the cage? Snooker style.

Yeah, that was dope.

Good way to give yourself cte.

Yvonne is up. What was wrong with Mustafa? Why wasn't even an ambulance? I forgot to ask that. You know, I don't.

I don't honestly know.

I mean, he wasn't at the show. Like, he didn't come out during that big brawl?

No, no, he didn't. No. Unless there's something that happened earlier. Yeah, I was gonna say, unless that was like, the beginning of the show or something.

He may have re. Injured the ankle. He. He broke it. Barely legal.

Oh, did he reenter the ankle?

Tune into nitro?

Yeah. Oh, a keyboard.

It's a keyboard. He's gonna surf the Internet.

Gardner's afraid to look.

Yeah,

it's tough to see through this cage.

Yeah, I was just thinking that.

I feel like I'm looking at one of those 3D magic guy things. I'm trying to find the image.

You stare at it long enough and cross your eyes, you'll see Francine with his.

That's better. Cameraman, sneak up.

Yeah.

Get a little voyeuristic there.

Hey, it's better than trying to go blind, you know, they're trying to see like that. Jesus.

Stupid hard cam shot. Sure, it's fine for the crowd alive, but on tv, it doesn't look good.

Yeah, yeah. Especially since this isn't the highest quality.

Exactly.

That was innovative.

That's a good spot.

That was better than the was up.

What's he doing? He trying to get out. Okay. Like, don't tell me he's gonna jump off. Both members have to escape. Or is it one?

I don't know. I mean, traditionally it would be both, but we all know ECW doesn't necessarily. They play hard and fast with the rules sometimes.

Yeah. All right, so one's out.

Yeah.

All right, so the match continues, but it's. Oh, yeah, this two on one.

Yeah. So they can just like them up and both leave at the same time.

Right. It's like divine. You just left your partner to get double teamed.

That's always been my argument with tag team cage matches where there's escape rules. It's like, why wouldn't you, you know, kick the out of both of them, grab one of them, throw them out the door, and then just murder the other guy and both leave at the same time, you know?

Yeah, Yep. I'll just stay. Everyone stays in until you both of them up and then you leave.

Yeah.

The hell just happened?

Mustafa won

Sta.

What?

Yeah, Mustafa. They counted a Mustafa pinned. So Devon escaped the cage, got pinned.

I guess I didn't see that coming. That's why I'm so shocked.

Yeah. I thought Dudley was gonna just win. The gangsters have the titles. Gardner's gonna have to shave his head and shave his chest there. Hardcore heaven, apparently. We'll see.

Again, fast with rules. So.

Yeah.

And stipulations.

So a few new clips in this one. Bam. Bam, Spike. Just standing there waiting to take that. Total elimination. Holy Jack.

This is extreme.

Extreme.

All right, we get the opening to Heat Wave. Joey introduces us. Welcome to DCW Arena.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Extreme.

Joey Styles is only 26 years old here.

Really?

Yeah.

Seems older.

Does here 26 seem so young?

At the world famous ECW arena in South Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Yeah,

Philly, this is packed.

Face.

The Meanie.

The red meanie said the wolf back.

Wear a Taz shirt.

He's wearing a Taz Yeah, he's crossing

his arm like t yours.

Meaning what is this you're doing? Hey, is Lance right?

Lance Wright's back. Meaty, stupid.

Go get him. Go get him.

I want the story.

Is he my. No one's dumb enough to mock Taz on television. Go get him, Lance. Get the story. He couldn't be mocking Taz. Kind of suicidal would mock Taz on television. All right, at this time I would like to introduce who can stay cool even in a building this high.

Ladies and gentlemen, the going on with the footage went from clear to shitty.

Yeah, it's muddy.

Yeah, it's a blurry as all hell.

Maybe it's a splice version.

Now it's. Yeah, now we're back to it being okay. Yeah, I'll take the one on the right.

Yeah. This had to be some local strippers.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

It's like vince mcmahon saying this.

Oh, that's great,

Joey.

Who told you it was my birthday? All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

Rude's looking to see if he has a boner. He's like, yep, got a boner.

After six months of negotiations association with ECW at 3:30 this afternoon, I signed a two year contract. So I'm no longer on a daily contract. It's a two year deal and I'm really happy about it.

Wow. So he's, he's gonna be here for. Till 1999. Okay,

well, that, it's not going to live to the end of that contract.

No.

Dies april 99. He was only 41.

Something like that. Yeah.

Yeah. It's 39 years old here.

Yeah.

So 40. Younger than all of us.

But he looks so much older and more manly, you know, than 39 here.

He does. Yeah. It's the, the mustache and the clothes of the time.

Yep. The haircut.

Yeah.

And their opponents in the cage will be the Polo.

Blue jeans, white sneakers.

Yep.

Looking like a dad.

And a mystery partner.

Now, Rick, I've got to ask you, who could Tommy and the Square man take in the cage with them to take on Van Dam, Saboo and Lawler?

Everyone's saying Rude even had the to

crawl out from under that rock in Memphis to come to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

But the fact of the matter, Shots fired.

Sandman and Dreamer being the butt kickers they are. They'll kick.

Says Butt Kickers. And that says kick the out of. Music. Look at Joey moving his hips. He's afraid to do it.

That guy's in the front row.

Yeah. Open fire went up. All right, Let me get some house show results that happened prior to this. Allentown, PA. Ag Hall, July 12, 1997. John Cronus defeated Roadkill. PG 13, defeated Spike Dudley and Mikey Whipwreck. When Wolfie D pinned Spike Balls Mahoney defeated the Hellraiser. Who's the Hellraiser?

You know who the Hellraiser is?

No.

He would be a guy named Malice. Or you might better know him as the Wall from wcw.

Oh, okay. I realize he was ever there.

Yeah, I. I looked. I looked it up. I didn't know off top of my head that it was him.

That's interesting. Chris Candido pinned Tracy Smothers Axel Rotten and New Jack defeated Luis Macaulay and little Guido RVD defeated Bobby Duncan Jr. And Taz defeated Shane Douglas via submission in 3 minutes and 13 seconds. What do we got going on here? That's right. I can talk over this. Tag Team Champions the Dudleys defeated Tommy Dreamer and the Sandman. Spike Dudley was a sub for Yvonne. All right, and then later we'll go over the results of the Queens, New York Elk Slot Show. That was on July 18, night before Heat Wave 97.

He'll have to beat Task to get it. And will Jerry the King Lawler accept the challenge to go one on one?

It's a little promo video for the Pay per view.

When we bring you hardcore heaven from

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, I say we give 50 off to all the girls who wear those buck flossers to the matches.

Joey's trying not to laugh.

Yeah, just crack up.

Yeah.

So there's the travel package I was talking about. You got all that for 300 something dollars?

I'm assuming that was a good deal in 1997.

Yeah, I'd imagine.

Yeah. Yeah. The Burt Flickinger Center, Alban, and I'm

sorry, in Buffalo, New York, May 17. Are we freaking in July?

You make a very valid point, sir.

I wonder when that show was supposed to be. I wonder if it was in Maine. They just are running this by accident.

Either. Either that or they up and it was supposed to be July.

Yeah. April. Hardcore Heaven T shirt, collectible T shirt. That's cool.

I was looking at old T shirts on ebay. Random, but I came across the Rock Fools John Cena T shirt.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

I was like, that's a cool one.

The original sells like over a hundred dollars.

Oh.

Sunday night, August 17, on pay per View.

I thought the gangsters.

I was just thinking, I'm like, they're showing this interview, or promo, whatever you want to call it, after we already saw Them lose the belt. Right.

Got some bad editing on this episode.

Saturn and John Curtis.

One problem.

I forgot.

Perry Saturn and his bum leg. That's unfortunate.

Hey, brother. Well, there is a default.

The title should be defended by the ECW World.

Want to take a guess at how old Big Dick Dudley is here? Oh, man.

29.

I was gonna say 33.

Davey. Nailed it. It's 29 years old.

Damn, that's a big dick. That. That man has lived a hard life to look like that at 29.

I always thought Big Dick was like Bubba's dad or something, you know, like. Yeah, I like the very much older brother. Yeah, but they're probably about the same age.

Yeah.

Yeah. When's Bubba? Let's see. Right? So he was born in 68. Bubba was born. Bubba was born in 71. So a few years younger.

So he's like 26 there.

Yeah. Wow. Bubba's the same age as Joey Styles.

Yeah. How old's G?

See. This? 49 right now. So he's. He was like a kid. Yeah, he was only 22. She's not even yet. He was 21.

Wow.

His birthday's in September. He's turning 50 this year.

So he's 10 years older than me. Wow.

He was already bringing to the table. Boing.

Boing.

The simple solution is, as much as I hate to say it, that even though I'm very happy and willing to,

I'm going down the path of everyone's age. Francine.

So long as the gangsters come to the pay per view with that not being.

Francine would have been 25, 53 now, just had her birthday.

Happy birthday, Francine.

February 19th.

And it's not an outrageous request. Even though they're not the viewer's choice, I must petition that the title defense be made by Bubba Ray and Deepon the Dudley Boys.

So the gangsters are officially the new ECW World tag team.

Okay, good. Make sure you throw that in

back of New Jack. After the matchup, Big Dick got in the cage and took out Mustafa, who we understand has severe neurological damage and is undergoing a CAT scan as we speak.

It has been mandated that the world up again.

Must be defended at the Hardcore Heaven pay per view.

Must be defended.

But if the gangsters can't make it,

who will defend the belt?

We know there's been no historical. So we're talking about unchartered turf. But if the gangsters cannot make it to Hardcore Heaven, that means the Dudleys lost the match.

Okay. I was wondering who they are gonna have to fight That's. That's a good pay per view. I watched this a couple months ago.

Oh, hardcore heaven.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Looking forward to talking about it. All right, this is the Eliminators. Now. Saturn obviously injured. Promise with a tan here.

Yeah. Saturn, too.

Yeah.

Saturn could go on.

It'd be like PN News.

Yeah. Yeah. So I. I show. I showed my buddy that. That clip. And as soon as PN News comes on, he goes, that's a white dude, right? Yep. And he goes, what's he doing on bet? I'm like, your guess is as good as mine, man.

At least Johnny B. Bad looks like he was black.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's crazy to know.

He wasn't. No.

PM News just looks like a.

When did you find out Johnny B. Bad wasn't.

Not that long ago.

Yeah. Like within the past. Within the past five years, I would say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

At 188 pounds. Pablo Marquez.

Pablo Marquez. Prodigy.

Prodigy. Pablo Marquez. Babu.

Yes, that's right.

El Puerto Ricano.

Yes.

Even though he's Ecuadorian,

He's been gone for a while, huh? A couple years of Puerto Ricano.

Yeah.

Combat zone.

Combat zone.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Tommy Dreamer can't do that.

No.

Nobody want to be one of the

most liber men I've ever seen.

He can take to the air as well. There's the bell. And Martes attack from behind. Reversal on the Irish win.

That was a. That was a nice hurricane, Rana.

Yeah, it was. All right. A lot of space out there.

Yeah.

Holy. They usually don't have that much space.

Wonder with the cage if they needed the extra space to assemble it, you know? Oh.

Flying out of the ring kind of gave it away.

When he stopped in front of him before he jumped.

Oh. Saturn's crutch just, like, breaks into a million pieces. Gonna be gimmicked.

Yeah.

Like, he needs more trauma to the back. Saturn's getting pretty damn good at swinging that crutch. Looks like.

Oh. Spinning back kick, center of the ring. Let's end this body slam, be a little flippity floppy.

So impressive.

Perfect landing and gets the win. The 450 splash. Like flash funk.

I don't know how crazy that was, seeing funk flash do that. Funk flash.

Funky flash. Record's like. Don't know. Don't ask me. I don't know.

Don't ask me.

Guy who. What guy? I don't know what. You're scaring me.

I'm gonna get another job in your back.

All right, Wrestle Paul. Losing 97. I was gonna say I Haven't seen Chastity. But that's because she's WCW now, right?

I don't know if she's in wcw.

Oh, no, that's not until later.

No, she shows up. Yeah.

Like 99.

Yeah.

Maybe late 98. Yeah, sometime in 99. 98.

Yeah.

When Raven first shows up, he's not doing the like spoiled rich kid gimmick. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like at first, right.

I mean, they kind of mentioned that he is spoiled.

Right. But they didn't do like the him going back to his childhood, his mom's house.

Yeah. Because Chassis is a sister, right?

Yep, I think so.

I believe that's the story. Then she joins Sandman, turns on him.

Hack, hack.

Hardcore hack.

Boom.

Oh.

Get back to results. All right. Queens, New York. Jason pinned Chris Chetty. Tracy Smothers and Little Guido defeat Axel Rotten and Spike Dudley. Bobby Duncan Jr. Pins Nova, Chris Candido pins Mikey Whipwreck. Bam Bam pins Balls Mahoney. Tag Team Champions and Dublies defeated New Jack Mustafa and Perry. Saturn and John Cornis in elimination match. The hell how Saturn do that match anyway? Bubba pin Cronus, Bubba pin New Jack. ECW TV champion Taz defeated Shane Douglas via submission again. And Sabu and RVD defeated Tommy Dreamer in the same man again as well. That leads us now to heat wave 97 of which we're going to see. Good handful of the matches. Matches we did not see were Mikey Birthback and Spike Dudley defeating PG13, Maxwell Rotten defeating Tracy Smothers. No, it was a commercial break. Chris Candido and Bam Bam defeated Balls Mahoney and Chris Chetty and Taz defeated Lance Storm Transmission. Everything else we'll see on this episode.

So the feud pitting Jerry The King Lawler, Mr. Monday Night, Rob Van Dam and Sabo against Tommy Dreamer in the Sandman has escalated. Tonight it will be settled hopefully in a cage. Who will the mystery partner be?

Hell, I don't know.

Last week Tommy Dreamer said he wants.

Do we just see that? Oh, I don't know.

I will not get dragged into this view.

First one that showed that same exact

thing is the new World Television Champion. He's got bigger fish to fry. It was a smart move on his part.

When we come back, we will see the continuation of a legendary ECW feud.

I think they recorded this after the show because Rick Rude looks like he's already been through some. Yeah, doesn't he? He has all mess and.

Yeah, the. The shirt's unbuttoned.

Yeah. Oh, that scream. That's like the Wilhelm Scream.

It is.

Attention, whatever you do, do not watch hardcore ever. 97 live on pay per view August 17, 1997 thank you for your cooperation. Okay, Robocop, Thought Police have spoken.

Hey, are you gonna let someone tell

you the Thought Police? Check out hardcore heaven.

Call your local cable company now. If they are not caring. What the hell. Call directv. Call the dish network. Call primestar. Ditch cable. Get yourself a ditch last night in new york.

Give her your cable at the dish. Where were they? Just showing.

That looks large.

Okay.

Queens.

Queen. What we just went over.

I've always liked yellow.

Yes, She matches Shane.

Yes, she does.

She's a babe. Temple.

I need to find a way that there's like a button I could push and it just plays the. From Beis and Butthead.

It's got to be a bead. Sound board.

Yeah.

That would be there in the music videos usually, right?

And the show and ep.

Yeah, and the show.

Yeah.

Took care of my belt, Mikey. Whit

also, he's cutting a similar promo. Raven.

Yep.

The old gea.

I don't know if he said geezer. If he called him an old piece of.

He called him an old. Yeah, I was just adding to it.

Ah,

title match. Oh, here goes. Desperado.

It's a song.

Quiet. It's my song. Seinfeld reference.

And Terry Funk's also wearing yellow and black trunks. He threw the belt and it ended up in that guy's hands.

In the crowd,

that guy was like, here, here, Mole. I'll take it.

Little.

No way to get the ECW crowd pumped by, you know, having Desperado playing.

Yeah.

All right. David's your match. Shane gonna win that gold. Tossed into the crowd. Everyone just happened to not be in that spot.

Was that a hubcap? No, that's a trash can lid.

A couple headbutts, shots to the forehead.

I think that should. Thanks for.

Yeah, like the Rock, Francine. His commentary is kind of like our commentary.

Very much so.

Dan's trying to get the hell out of there. Where you going, Funk? What's again, Another chair? Nothing. The hell are you over there for? We going outside. Nice. Rider Truck. Yeah, that's the ring.

Truck Ryder still exists or is it all your Truck?

No, R. Rider still exists. Although they don't. They're not yellow and black anymore. They're white. Red.

Is that a big sign that says Bingo hall on the side of it?

Yes, I think that's what it was.

Yeah, it was, but. Yeah.

Yeah. Jv. We have a couple of trucks that We've rented from Ryder at work. So that's how. That's how I know they're still in existence. Like, like box trucks, you know, last. Yeah, yeah.

Still looking for. Lot of NWO shirts in the crowd. Yeah.

Pretty hot right now. Still on his feet.

Oh, he's got the plastic shitty one, that's why.

Yeah, he just broke it.

Sounded worse.

Yeah, he hurt his hand, I think. Douglas no, Funk.

Oh,

Back in the ring.

Douglas needs to get back in the ring.

Yeah.

Mind getting Terry Funk back in the ring? Funk's already in, but I get what he's saying. You need him in the ring to win the title, right? Him up with Saturn's crutch. Oh, somebody just said you.

Yeah, I heard that. I thought it was funk.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Roll up. One, two. Count Harry Funk complaining about the count. Douglas takes him down with a clip.

Out of 15 yards,

53 year old heavyweight champion. Jeez,

They still haven't even been Chainsaw Charlie yet.

Nuts. He's already been retired like three times.

Forever,

Folks.

The man, it's like, come on, you son of a. Hit me more.

He's asking Douglas if that's his best half.

Buck him up, Shane. Chance. Oh, it's dueling chance. Him up, Shane. Him up, Terry.

I think Douglas is better going for that knee. Skull is about 2 inches thick.

So funny. That Woo chant has been going on for years.

I know.

Whenever people do chops, even if Flynn's not in the match.

Yeah. I mean, in this case they're just. They're probably doing it more to piss off Shane than anything.

That's.

Yeah, good point.

But yeah, it's that you don't think about it that the people were doing the wooth back in 1997, you know, for. For chops like everywhere.

Yeah. All right, both guys outside the ring. Funk is setting up a table. See who goes through it. Jane gonna. No, Shane's gonna go through it. Oh, they both go through it. Suplex through the table.

It was a nice suplex.

Yeah. Textbook.

Yeah. As one would expect.

Yeah. From the legend, Right?

Two legends.

Yeah. In my opinion. Yeah.

Yeah.

Chains up there for me.

He's a legend.

Terry Funk got that old man grimace face that looks like he's crying when he's in pain. Oh, nut shot. Got an old man balls from big daddy. You got old balls,

People.

Oh, okay. Saying, Terry, why are they doing Jerry Springer chat?

That is exactly what it sounds like.

Oh, suplex into two chairs set up.

Oh, that looks like it.

That's rough. Yep,

Looks like.

Can't soften that one. You just drop a chair on somebody.

You can't. You can't soften a suplex onto two chairs either.

Oh, no.

Oh, Dropped his knee on a sucker.

Yeah, his knees.

Oh, shocked.

Doesn't help. He just threw two chairs at it.

Oh, he's.

He's just. He doesn't give a. He's just spiking those chairs. No, no. Yeah, exactly.

Zero given zero.

Going on a figure four. Oh, he's just spinning.

He's just doing the spinning toehold.

Yeah. Going for Francine. What's he gonna do? He's getting an Atomic Dropper ass. You drop her backwards off out of the ring. Imagine that.

Atomic drop. Electric chair drop.

And then she slams her head into the turnbuckle.

Yeah. Poor girl.

She's like.

It's like an OG rivalry.

Yeah,

like the original.

Yeah. Because after Funk and Eddie Gilbert's rivalry ended, this kind of came into effect.

Hot stuff.

All right. Matter of time before Triple Threat members come.

What in the hell is she doing?

Looks pretty damn good to me.

She's on him like a spider monkey.

I'll you up.

Good match. Yeah, always. Shane and Terry.

It's like a given.

Yep. Shane and Terry. Would you go to high school, steal the BTT guys? Yes. You got a busted nose.

Yeah, she busted her nose or her lip or something.

She's hardcore.

Yeah.

Referee's down.

I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she really did. Like when she hit her face on the.

Yeah.

Turnbuckle. That she busted her lip or something.

Yeah. Now she jumped back on him again. She's pissed. Holy. Did it just cut?

Yeah, I got a cut there.

That was weird.

That was weird.

Just stop it and say it was a dq. I guess they didn't want to prolong it. Yeah, they only have nine minutes left in the episode, and they still have that other cage maps to show us.

Oh. Oh.

I hope it's not just clips.

We're getting this, man. This match.

Jeez.

This show is flying by. Yeah.

We're almost done.

Yeah.

You think we'll get just clips?

I hope not.

I'm guessing. I mean. All right. Message from the commissioner. Mission of Gordon this instance.

But to disqualify Shane Douglas for the actions of his head cheerleader, Franc.

He gave us a signal,

interfered due to the fact. Did not affect the outcome of the match. We at ECW find Douglas and Francine's actions to be inexcusable. The Mike Tyson incident was a blemish

on the sports world also there. Shut up, Gordon. This is something that I can't buy in ecw people have done worse than bite.

History.

Just have to go with that Tyson thing.

You got to be topical

printed on both sides with caricatures of all your favorite ECW personalities. It's a one of a kind T shirt.

Anything stand out in the notes? Right. The summary note. Let's see.

I mean the USWA versus ECW 713.

Another Memphis show they bring up.

Yeah.

Oh, is it Jerry Lawler and Brian Christopher Dreamer and Sam.

Yeah. Yep. There's no finish. And then Lawler spits at a heckler fan punches Brian Christopher in the mouth which breaks his. His lip. Sabu starts whipping fans with a belt. Somebody. One of the fans gets hit with a garbage can.

That's wild.

Yeah. In addition, Flash Flanagan, who's not involved in the match. Bladed bladed and cut too much. Cut too deep. And almost passed out backstage from loss of blood. Which isn't. Which you shouldn't be laughing.

I know much. It's. He shouldn't have been involved and he cut himself.

You know, he's just a random. Not. I mean Flash Flanagan, he's a mid card guy at best. And he's. He's blading and he's bleeding in a match that he bleeds so much that he almost passes out backstage. Come on.

Right, Right. He's bleeding as probably a guy that just like was doing a run in.

Right.

Just like joining in the. In the mayhem.

Right?

Yeah.

Himself for the point of passing home. Paul Heyman. WWF conflict with Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman claims that. WWF claims Heyman personally gave them the Austin ECW clip for the Stone Cold video and haven't seen that. He didn't give them permission to use the Austin interview that they have in this video.

Y. Y. And that he was going to replace Brian Pillman on Shotgun, but then got double crossed too.

Then also you have. Haymon was supposed to apologize to Dennis Caro. That's why Jim Cornette said he was going to do the show. But there was never an apology. But Cornet said he had a good. Good enough payday. But he's done with tcw.

Yeah.

All right, so back to the show. Here we go. What is that big bong? What is that thing?

I don't know. But that there's. That's like a 30. That's a 30 rack of Bud.

Oh, it's a keg. Okay.

Oh, it is a keg. Yeah. You could have wondered, are we the only Area of the country that calls them butt heavies.

Maybe. I don't know. Haven't heard anybody else ever say it.

Yeah.

Regular Budweiser sometimes can just be refreshing. Yeah. When it's nice and cold.

Oh, yeah.

It's never been refreshing for me.

I don't know why I can't drink. I can't drink it if it's not ice cold. That's the only thing.

Yeah. That wouldn't have more than one of those.

No.

I'll drink Bud Lights all day.

Yeah. Bud Light. Was it easy?

Budweiser. I can't even have one. I don't know why.

And generally, I only like light. Dude.

Yeah. Look. Hayman's standing there like, what the hell's going on?

Yeah. Like, what, they're wrestling.

Yep.

Like, there's no way they're getting a cage match in, right?

Oh, yeah. Must be just, like, some happens.

Yeah. Are they gonna do it, like, to be continued?

You know, they have something with Rick Root here. It's just sad that he can't actually, like, participate.

Yeah. Like, what could he actually do?

Tommy's pumping beer out of the keg.

Just getting a beer.

Yeah.

Here.

Rick Rude.

You.

You. Got a point.

You can't see Lola. So Lola just seems like he's like the wizard of Oz right now. Just the voice.

Do you see that? Re. Re was drinking the. Be drinking the beer, and then he poured the last of it over his head. Yeah. For no reason.

That's why his hair's up in those.

Yeah.

Let's clip Saf. Rick Root in the cage. There we go. There he is.

He can't be in there.

Oh, took Tommy out.

Yep.

Oh, so rude. It's all set up now. We get Heal. Rick Rude, and he's like, fuck this.

Yeah.

Nice. He has to be a bad guy. Oh, just get slapped. Holy. Toss Buell into the cage.

Jesus.

Don't pull a bear on it. No, that'd be cool. Holy. He hit the light.

Broke the bulb. Time for my obligatory, you gotta call butchy on that one.

Referee slipping on the beer.

Oh, no. Dude Shoved him.

Oh, dude.

Now he's locking the cage.

Tom is gonna get another beating. The show's coming to an end. Yeah. Oh. So I guess we'll get more on the next episode, hopefully. Yep. Next episode's starting automatically on my end and. Yep. This continues.

All right, so this is what we get to see next episode.

Yep. So we'll get into that next episode.

To be continued.

Yep. To be continued. So I guess we'll get A little bit more of Heat Wave. Because that's really all that's left though, is just that. Yeah, yeah, Heat Wave. And then we're on the road to hardcore heaven. A couple more shows and then it'll be time for us to do a pay per view special.

Yeah.

Nice. All right.

I think we'll be special in a while since.

Yeah. Barely Legal. So it's been a while.

20, 25.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely not during the past couple months. Yeah, I think we did it around Thanksgiving. Oh, maybe. Yeah, maybe October. Yeah, around that time.

We figure we're in July now, so three months. It was April. Yeah. And then there was a couple gaps where we didn't record every other week or whatever, so. So, yeah, October, November sounds about right.

So. And long enough, the pay per views are going to start to come more frequently, right?

Yeah. 97. Hardcore heaven. And then November to Remember.

November to remember.

In 98 they start doing more of them. Plus there's also they still do the, you know, arena show, Supercard one.

Yeah, but we, we're not going to do those anymore. No, we're just going to do pay per views now as specials. Because if we did all the, all of it, then we never get through hardcore TV episodes, right?

Yeah, we, we, we skipping some of them. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So good episode again, you know. You know, cage match heavy. Of course. Title change. Gangsters win the titles. So I guess Joe Gartner might have to shave his head and his chest. Rick Rude, he'll turn pretty good there. Great match between Terry Funk and Shane Douglas. That ended pretty shitty. Yeah, the dq. Come on. Francine was biting an ear. And you have it at the twist there in that cage match. So we'll see how it all shakes out in the next episode. Guys, anything you want to add before we wrap things up?

No.

All right, so here's the extreme easy to be live cast wrap up. And next episode will continue July 29th and August 5th, 1997. That's ECW hardcore TV 223 and 224. We'll continue with that again. Check out JV and I on the Bottom Line Wrestling cast latest episode is a stunning Steve special episode. Episode 21, the Thunder Cage covering February of 1994. And thank you BTT Army David Squad listeners for supporting us. Give us a follow on X. Follow me Mike Pro at MPRU 83L JV at John Van Damage. Follow Rick BB at Leo Y85 and follow us at Extreme Cast. Thanks guys for listening. We'll have an outro song for you not sure what it's going to be but take a listen to it. Enjoy see you in a couple weeks so long

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